2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

[Ben]

The message to Democrats is clear: you must dump neoliberal economics:
The message to Democrats is clear: you must dump neoliberal economics | Joseph Stiglitz | The Guardian

[blackchubby38]

Is Harris campaign in denial?

[Paladin]

That was also an election that he lost just as decisively as he won this won. Did the last 8 years teach you nothing about how quickly things can change?

The fact is that the tipping point state (Pennsylvania) was won by a margin of 1.7%. That means if less than 1% of voters switch parties the next election can go the other way. Only a blind partisan fool would let this election go to their head and think they are now invincible.

It's definitely possible that some voters will change their minds once they see that Trump isn't going to magically restore what they remember from 2019 (they seem to have forgotten about 2020) - that instead of restoring stability they are likely to get non-stop chaos. The one saving grace about Trump I is that he didn't actually do many of the things he talked about - either because he had no idea how to get things done or because responsible Republicans blocked him. That probably won't be the case this time because one lesson he learned was to surround himself with yes people with similar crazy ideas.

And he got those large vote swings even with millions who absolutely hate him.

I acknowledge that the new admin will have to do a good job, or they'll get hammered in the 2026 mid terms and possibly face a loss in 2028, but Remember Trump will NOT be on the ballot, and it if wasn't for the absolute hatred of him by those with TDS, this past election would have been a 47+ state electoral blowout. And JD Vance will likely wipe the floor with any dem debate opponent like he did with tampon tim and some lib media tards that tried to throw stuff in his face in interviews. Please that I myself do not like Trump, it's just that the alternative would have been a complete disaster.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Is Harris campaign in denial?

Judging by their comments,yes the Harris Campaign are in complete denial about why they were handed a humiliating loss on Election Night. And instead of doing some soulsearching about what wrong and why the polls were way off,they are making excuses and pointing fingers.

[Stavros]

Is Harris campaign in denial?

There will always be a post election debate touching on various aspects of the campaign. This summer an American I met told me the Americans will not vote for a woman to be their President. I have mentioned this before somewhere, but I see no debate about it in this coverage. I would go further and suggest that just as a lot of Republican politics is determined to roll back the reforms of the 1960s, with Abortion the leading issue, so if you dig deeper, the 'Moral Majority', the 'NeoCons' and now the 'Trumpits' are just as focused on ending same sex relations and marriage, and moreover they would if they thought it possible make divorce illegal. At the root these policies suggest that the US has gone too far in giving women equal rights, for the simple reason the people who vote Republican don't think women are, or should be treated as equals. The almost total focus on transgender rights and why they should be abolished everywhere, is concerned with male to female people to the exclusion of female to male, though I might be wrong on this.

Key question: would any other woman have done better than Harris?

If Trump and his allies in the Federal Govt, Congress and the State legislatures get their way the next 4 years may see women the biggest losers of this phase of American history.

[filghy2]

Key question: would any other woman have done better than Harris?

Gretchen Whitmer, maybe?

Harris seems to have had two major problems.
1. She wasn't able to differentiate herself from Biden, and didn't really try - eg the infamous "Not a thing comes to mind" response.
2. She wasn't able to explain why she shifted from positions she advocated in 2020, so her attempt to move back to the centre wasn't convincing.

[filghy2]

I acknowledge that the new admin will have to do a good job, or they'll get hammered in the 2026 mid terms and possibly face a loss in 2028, but Remember Trump will NOT be on the ballot, and it if wasn't for the absolute hatred of him by those with TDS, this past election would have been a 47+ state electoral blowout. And JD Vance will likely wipe the floor with any dem debate opponent like he did with tampon tim and some lib media tards that tried to throw stuff in his face in interviews. Please that I myself do not like Trump, it's just that the alternative would have been a complete disaster.

You say you don't like Trump, but you also think that people who oppose him have an irrational hatred. It might be more convincing if you tell what you don't like about him.

[MrFanti]

Judging by their comments,yes the Harris Campaign are in complete denial about why they were handed a humiliating loss on Election Night. And instead of doing some soulsearching about what wrong and why the polls were way off,they are making excuses and pointing fingers.

Bingo!

[Paladin]

"Key question: would any other woman have done better than Harris?"

There are very many,,but better might still not have been good enough.one would still have to not lie to and insult the American people constantly

Gretchen Whitmer, maybe?

Harris seems to have had two major problems.
1. She wasn't able to differentiate herself from Biden, and didn't really try - eg the infamous "Not a thing comes to mind" response.
2. She wasn't able to explain why she shifted from positions she advocated in 2020, so her attempt to move back to the centre wasn't convincing.

I think it was "Nothing comes to mind", but close enough. That's because there is no mind for anything to come to, and process anything.

"Key question: would any other woman have done better than Harris?"

There are very many, but better might still not have been good enough.

Lastly, I not that there are a lot of brits & other foreigners here sounding off on MY country's elections & election process. Here's an idea, correct your own country's problems before belittling mine.

Remember, many of you would be speaking German (or russian) if it was not for US!.

[Stavros]

Lastly, I not that there are a lot of brits & other foreigners here sounding off on MY country's elections & election process. Here's an idea, correct your own country's problems before belittling mine.

Remember, many of you would be speaking German (or russian) if it was not for US!.

You are free to comment on the situation in the UK, I even have a thread on it in this section of Hung Angels. As CP Snow put it, 'Comment is Free, the Facts are Sacred'.

I would never diminish what the US did for the freedom of Europe, but it did not do it alone. The idea that without US help the British would have not only lost the war, but become a German satellite is truly bizarre. How would the Germans have run Britain? With no resistance? It is merely a 'what if' in history, as interesting as 'What if Guillaume did not claim his right to rule England in 1066?'.
Even after 40 years of Soviet domination, there were still more people speaking German, Czech, Hungarian and Polish than Russian in those countries. And so on.

You might as well say were it not for the British, you Americans would all be speaking French. Etc.