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    Who was POTUS when Russia annexed Crimea in 2008 and who was POTUS when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFanti View Post
    Who was POTUS when Russia annexed Crimea in 2008 and who was POTUS when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022?
    Russia did not annex Crimea in 2008, it did issue 'ethnic Russians' with Russian passports, which was seen at the time as provocative. This is what Putin said

    "In an interview with Germany's ARD television in 2008, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow recognizes all of Ukraine's borders, and that there is no issue of ethnic conflict in Crimea. His comments, delivered shortly after Russia's military intervention in the Georgian breakaway region of South Ossetia, stand in stark contrast with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014 and its support of armed separatists in eastern Ukraine."
    Putin's 2008 Comments On Crimea, Before A Sharp Change Of Tack

    Obama was President when Crimea was illegally annexed in 2014 and said this

    "“Part of what happened was, both myself and also [German Chancellor Angela] Merkel, who I give enormous credit for, had to pull in a lot of other Europeans kicking and screaming to impose the sanctions that we did and to prevent Putin from continuing through the Donbass and through the rest of Ukraine,” he added.
    Obama said that the sense of identity and ability to push back against Russia developed in Ukraine after the 2014 annexation, and that identity and ability is what led to the fierce resistance now.
    “We challenged Putin with the tools that we had at the time, given where Ukraine was,” he said."
    Obama defends 2014 Crimea response: ‘We challenged Putin with the tools we had at the time’

    Joe Biden was President in 2022.

    Can you confirm, Mr Fanti, that you think NATO or states in Europe should have waged war against Russia in 2014? And what, in legal terms, would have been the Casus Belli -and would such a war have required the authorisation of the Security Council of the United Nations?

    Who was President when the The Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan was signed in 2020, and can you re-frame this as the USA surrendering to the Taliban, even giving them a date when US forces would be removed from Afghanistan? Why did the US Govt exclude the Afghan Govt from the negotiations that led to the 'Agreement'?

    Who was President when Israel formally annexed the 'Golan Heights' that in legal terms was, and is Syrian territory? Can you confirm that the USA does not believe there is any merit in adhering to the International Law on territorial sovereignty, or that Israel is a special case and can do anything it wants, anywhere anytime, with the full approval of the USA?


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    They didn't really start with Crimea until later. They went after Georgia in 2009. I was in afghan getting rocketed and eating dust sandwiches at the time, so O, O, and B


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    Not surprising at all that Donald Trump picks Robert F Kennedy Jr,who is a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer to be in charge of Health And Human Services which oversees the CDC,NIH,FDA and fifteen other departments. RFK Jr has a few things in common with Matt Gaetz,Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard,all are conspiracy theorists that have very warped views,no experience and are unqualified for the jobs they are being appointed for. And will be interesting to see if any Republicans pushback againist Donald Trump and say no to confirming any of these batshit crazy picks,or will they fall in line and confirm them anyway?.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightHawk 2.0 View Post
    Not surprising at all that Donald Trump picks Robert F Kennedy Jr,who is a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer to be in charge of Health And Human Services which oversees the CDC,NIH,FDA and fifteen other departments. RFK Jr has a few things in common with Matt Gaetz,Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard,all are conspiracy theorists that have very warped views,no experience and are unqualified for the jobs they are being appointed for. And will be interesting to see if any Republicans pushback againist Donald Trump and say no to confirming any of these batshit crazy picks,or will they fall in line and confirm them anyway?.
    Also illegal, in terms of the written law, but these days who cares about that when the President-elect is himself a convicted criminal?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    Also illegal, in terms of the written law, but these days who cares about that when the President-elect is himself a convicted criminal?

    Completely Agree 100%. And very informative video.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightHawk 2.0 View Post
    Completely Agree 100%. And very informative video.
    Seems like Hillary Clinton did it first

    Hillary Clinton Endorses Barack Obama
    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/07/u...t-clinton.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFanti View Post
    Seems like Hillary Clinton did it first

    Hillary Clinton Endorses Barack Obama
    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/07/u...t-clinton.html
    Relevance? She endorsed him after he won the primaries, which is what almost always happens. She didn't drop out in return for a job. There have been many cases where someone has taken a job after losing the primaries - eg George Bush senior became Reagan's VP in 1980.


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    All the people who for a perverted creep and sexual predator and convicted felon Donald Trump,two weeks ago in the 2024 General Election are now regretting their decision,it is way too late to have buyers remorse now. You get what you voted for.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightHawk 2.0 View Post
    All the people who for a perverted creep and sexual predator and convicted felon Donald Trump,two weeks ago in the 2024 General Election are now regretting their decision,it is way too late to have buyers remorse now. You get what you voted for.
    Yep!!!
    Kinda like when D.C. voted drug addict Marion Barry as mayor....


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