2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

[Stavros]

So now we know (but honestly, is anyone surprised?) it was garbage from the start, but nobody in a responsible position could be bothered to do any due diligence but declare before millions of Americans 'I saw it on television'.

In July there were riots in the UK when it was claimed a Muslim asylum seeker who had arrived on a boat across the English Channel had stabbed and murdered three young girls in a dance class. The killer was born in Cardiff, was not a Muslim, and the cost of those lies has been measured in lives ruined, people in prison, buildings damaged. But are the reputations of Nigel Farage or anyone else who spewed this drivel seriously damaged in return?

Are Trump and Vance now going to publicly apologize for smearing Springfield? As if. The moral collapse of these people may not even be complete, as every time they appear to have hit rock bottom, they find new depths of depravity to parade in front the the American people, and for that matter the rest of the world, who still cannot believe a pathological liar and convicted criminal thinks he is qualified to be President, supported in this endeavour by people who would be on permanent berserk mode if it were a Democrat.

"On Friday, a Springfield woman, Erika Lee, apologized for rumors about Haitian immigrants eating pets that resulted from a post she wrote on Facebook claiming that the friend of a neighbor’s daughter lost her cat – and then found the animal strung up outside the home of a Haitian family.Lee now says she had no firsthand knowledge of the claim. The neighbor referenced in the post, Kimberly Newton, revealed that she also had heard the story from an acquaintance and not her daughter.
Lee said she was filled with regret and insists she never intended to put a target on the backs of the Haitian community."
More bomb threats hit Springfield, Ohio, after Trump elevates false claims about Haitians | Ohio | The Guardian

[blackchubby38]

Biden didn't step down?

He didn't, he decided not to run for re-election. There's a difference. Although I have a hunch that he will step down if Kamala wins in November.

[Stavros]

JD Vance now admits he 'creates stories', and really doesn't care if they are true or false. This is from someone who attacks 'the Woke left' for the Foucault inspired view that identity is whatever you want it to be, thus denying the immutable reality of being a biological man or woman -only in this case, truth is as flexible as Vance wants it to be, Foucault be damned.

And just as he attacked Joe Biden as a Senator who through the NAFTA 'shipped jobs to Mexico' without also mentioning other Senators who voted for it, Republicans like McConnell, Gingrich and Grassley, not to mention the man most enthusiastic about it, Ronald Reagan, so in the case of Springfield we have this drivel-

"Vance ultimately defended his endorsement of the lies about Springfield as calling attention to the immigration policies at the White House while Harris has served as vice-president to Joe Biden.“I’m not mad at Haitian migrants for wanting to have a better life,” Vance said. “We’re angry at Kamala Harris for letting this happen.”".

Then this (my emphasis in bold) :

"About 15,000 immigrants began trickling into Springfield – a city of about 60,000 – in 2017 to work in local produce packaging and machining factories. They have been particularly in demand at a vegetable manufacturer and at automotive machining plants whose owners were experiencing a labor shortage in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic.
The Republican governor of Ohio, Mike DeWine, said on Sunday on ABC’s This Week that Haitians in Springfield “are here legally”.
“What the employers tell you is, you know, we don’t know what we would do without them,” DeWine said. “They are working. And they are working very hard. And they’re fitting in.”".

Anyone care to remind Vance Harris was not President in 2017, but Trump was.

The man is an idiot, and he doesn't care if everyone knows it. Like John Cage said of his music 'I have nothing to say, and I'm saying it'. At least that was zen. Vance has zilch.

[Fitzcarraldo]

He didn't, he decided not to run for re-election. There's a difference. Although I have a hunch that he will step down if Kamala wins in November.

Why would he do that? He was denied a transition period for his term. I can't imagine he would handicap his successor the same way.

[pantybulge69]

1. Of all the reasons for Donald Trump to step down, his disastrous debate performance isn't one of them.

2. If he did drop out, depending on who replaces him, there is a good chance that they will beat Kamala Harris in November. That would be the last thing that some in the media would want to happen.

3. For the last time, Biden was the President of the United States, not your significant other. Stop getting defensive about what happened to him.

Whoever you're assuming would beat Harris in November, are probably the very same candidates that had their incompetent asses handed to them by Trump in GOP's Republican Primary.

Why do you think Trump is the lead GOP runner for US President from the GOP side ? The other GOP candidates are apparently worthless competition.

[Ben]

[Stavros]

Truth is the first casualty of war, but who is the enemy? Is it Biden and Harris, as Trump says? In the link below you can see Stephen Miller first claiming crime in Venezuela is down 60% because it has exported its criminals/gangs to the US, but when asked to authenticate the figure, dodges the answer by launching into a tirade that if anything is designed to cover up the absence of facts, just as the questioner suggests Miller is accepting what the Maduro govt says. As for Venezuela being a 'poor country' -yes, it has made a mess of its economy, but with some of the largest reserves of petroleum in the world, poor is not quite right.

Whatever, who cares?

(Scroll down to get to the Miller exchange).

Mark Cuban Puts Stephen Miller On The Spot: 'Does Donald Trump Make Products Overseas? Yes Or No?' In Tariff Debate (yahoo.com)

[Stavros]

Here is a curious situation -JD Vance says he has not discussed abortion with Trump after Trump in the TV 'debate' also said he had not discussed it with Vance, yet Abortion has become one of the most talked about policies in the US election. Can you imagine the two of them not talking about immigration, or taxes or Ukraine?

Or maybe they just don't talk to each other...suggesting...

Meanwhile, it is good to see Kamala Harris going on the offensive on this policy

Harris says Trump’s anti-abortion policies to blame for death of mother in Georgia – live (theguardian.com)

But again, what is the point of discussing a 'Federal Abortion Ban' if the decision is for States to decide? In other words, on Abortion, the President and Congress are literally irrelevant -and powerless.

[rodinuk]

You seem to think Vance is something more than a cheap warm-up act for Trump…

[Stavros]

You seem to think Vance is something more than a cheap warm-up act for Trump…

He is, I understand, a millionaire, and they don't come cheap. The more worrying thing is that Vance is assumed to be the Brains to match Trump's Brawn, though one wonders if he ever thinks deeply about the things that he says. Or maybe he has realized that just as Trump can say any old rubbish as if it is true, so can Brains...

Analysis: Vance warns calling a candidate a ‘fascist’ can lead to violence but doesn’t mention that’s what Trump calls Harris (yahoo.com)