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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    Not seeing any inspirational candidates there.
    As opposed to the current candidate? It's a pretty low bar to clear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    Whitmer keeps saying she has no interest in running now, as does Newsom. It'd be a pity to start a campaign with a lie.
    As opposed to pretending that Biden is fine and perfectly capable of being President for another 4 years?


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by filghy2 View Post
    As opposed to the current candidate? It's a pretty low bar to clear.
    And yet here we are. I guess Biden can't count on your vote.


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    President Joe Biden will be holding a news conference at the White House @ 6:30pm this evening. And will be interesting to see how Democrats in the House Of Representatives and US Senate respond to his performance in the coming days. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-n...2024-campaign/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    And yet here we are. I guess Biden can't count on your vote.
    You are demonstrating exactly why the party has got itself into this horrible position - finding excuses to ignore inconvenient evidence and insisting that everyone support the leader without question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by filghy2 View Post
    You are demonstrating exactly why the party has got itself into this horrible position - finding excuses to ignore inconvenient evidence and insisting that everyone support the leader without question.
    I am not in any party. The type of doubt you are flogging cannot be assuaged.

    There are two choices for this election. The race has always been close. If the Democrats switch candidates, that will actually increase doubt further, as it demonstrates an undeniable lack of confidence in their own choice. No candidate has ever popped up a few months before a presidential election and won it.


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    The more things change, the more they stay the same:
    https://www.npr.org/2024/07/12/nx-s1...den-trump-poll


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    The longer the infighting goes on between President Joe Biden,his campaign and the White House on one side,and on the other side House and Senate Democrats calling for him to step aside,the more it benefits Donald Trump and his allies who will be using it to their advantage. President Joe Biden,House and Senate Democrats needs to find a way to come together,settle their differences and resolve this issue and keeping their eyes on the prize,which is telling voters about Donald Trump and the dark and horrific vision he has in store for the country,and the major threat he and his allies are to democracy. And also educating voters about Project 2025.


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    The more things change, the more they stay the same:
    https://www.npr.org/2024/07/12/nx-s1...den-trump-poll
    Only if you cherry-pick polls and ignore the overall trend. There's been around a 2% shift in Trump's favour in the polling averages since the debate.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...2024/national/
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/pol...-west-vs-stein

    That's, that's not as big as some people thought, but it's still in the wrong direction when Biden was already lagging before the debate. He's not going to win by just winning the national vote, and he's now well behind in almost all the swing states.
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/ele...eground-states



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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    No candidate has ever popped up a few months before a presidential election and won it.
    There have been only two cases where a sitting president dropped out in the election year, and two data points are not enough to infer any general rule. Presumably, they dropped out because they thought they were going to lose anyway.
    https://www.vox.com/politics/359431/...cox-richardson

    There have been successful candidate changes in other countries. Only in America is it considered somehow impossible to change anything a few months out.


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