Covid-19 Politics

[filghy2]

Over what? 1200 deaths a day? Jesus titty-fucking Christ, there are 300,000,000 people in this country, 1200 deaths a day is nothing, if it went on like that for a full year it would still be only 438,000 deaths - .14% of the population and I used a calculator this time. That's one person in 684 - OVER A FULL YEAR! Sorry, but there's nothing you can say that will convince me saving 1 person in 684 justifies shattering 300,000,000 people's mental health, destroying the economy, and ruining our children's formative years. Absolutely ridiculous, laughable.

Actually, it's around 2,500 deaths a day at the moment, so you seem to be a few months out of date.

Aren't you the same guy who's been telling us the US is in crisis due to an upsurge in violent crime? I looked up the data and there seems to have been something over 20,000 murders in the latest year, which is about 60 per day or 0.007% of the population. How can that be a crisis, yet something 40 times worse is no big deal?

[broncofan]

Actually, it's around 2,500 deaths a day at the moment, so you seem to be a few months out of date.

We have huge day of the week effects in our reporting so I use the 7 day moving average on worldometer. If you look at the last week we had 2500 reported deaths on January 5th, which was Wednesday but only about 575 reported deaths on January 1st and 520 on January 2nd (though New Year's may have caused even more weekend reporting problems than usual). The average right now is closer to 1500 per day and probably going up.

[Ben]

WHO Says Omicron Variant Is Not “Mild” as ER Doctor Describes New COVID Wave Overwhelming Hospitals:

[filghy2]

In other countries it's much much worse. Australia, Netherlands, Canada, Austria, all those countries are either locked down or just recently came out of lockdown. Over what? 1200 deaths a day? Jesus titty-fucking Christ, there are 300,000,000 people in this country, 1200 deaths a day is nothing, if it went on like that for a full year it would still be only 438,000 deaths - .14% of the population and I used a calculator this time. That's one person in 684 - OVER A FULL YEAR! Sorry, but there's nothing you can say that will convince me saving 1 person in 684 justifies shattering 300,000,000 people's mental health, destroying the economy, and ruining our children's formative years. Absolutely ridiculous, laughable.

As a follow up I did some research on causes of death in the USA, because I know how much you value facts. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
Here are the top 5 causes in the latest year:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005

So I guess according to your logic none of these things can be a real problem. In fact, nothing at all causing death can be a problem, given that less than 1% of the population dies in a year.

[Nick Danger]

So I guess according to your logic none of these things can be a real problem. In fact, nothing at all causing death can be a problem, given that less than 1% of the population dies in a year.

Flighty! WB bud. Glad to hear you had an accident-free holiday season. Or at least I assume you did, nothing seems to have knocked any sense into your head since last we spoke.

There are all kinds of ways to die, Flighty. Just read an article today that almost brought a tear to my eye, 10th-grade boy in Connecticut playing ice hockey got his throat slashed by a skate blade and bled out.

Now, not in any way to make light of that situation, that's a real tragedy, he looked like a smart, handsome lad with a bright future. But are we going to stop playing hockey now? No we are not. Are we going to dull the blades? No we are not. Why? Because the continuation of the game of hockey is more important to society than the problem of an occasional hockey death, and you can't play hockey properly on dull blades. Same could be said of all sports, there are occasional deaths in all of them, but we don't let death stop us from living life.

Except over this virus.

As I'm sure you know, I could go on and on and on about the things humans do despite the potential loss of life. Quality-of-life matters. More than life itself? More than life itself. I present the automobile as conclusive evidence of this already self-evident fact. We are all going to die, what matters is what you do UNTIL THEN.

What's funny to me is how people keep throwing Covid death statistics out there. "Look at all the people dying! Everyone must keep doing what they're doing but moreso!" The battle against the virus is over. We lost. We tried to come up with a vaccine but it's a failure. It IS going to run its course. ALL OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN IN VAIN. So let's double down, right? Australia has had some of the most stringent restrictions in the world all along, they have put themselves through hell with lockdowns and restrictions. And they've flattened the curve all right. Unfortunately, though - along the wrong axis.



So yeah it's a farce. It's an unbeatable virus. It's going to kill more old people and lungers. And nothing we are doing is helping so it's time to acknowledge and move forward. Who was it that said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Was that Einstein? What a loser, we're smarter than that!

[filghy2]

I'm surprised you haven't told us that death doesn't concern you because you are an immortal superhero.

Here's a few facts which may not have penetrated to your part of the world.
- There have been no lockdowns anywhere in Australia for more than 2 months.
- The 7-day average for daily deaths here is 12, which would equate to 170 for the US population. That is one-ninth of the current US death rate.
- The current unemployment rate is 4.6%, compared to 3.9% in the US. The economy has not exactly been destroyed in either case.

It's good that you mentioned automobiles, because even though we let people drive they are subject to a bunch of rules because their driving affects other peoples' safety. We don't let them drive at whatever speed they like. We don't let them drive under the influence of alcohol or drugs. We don't leave obeying traffic lights or stop signs to their own judgement.

As to your claim about vaccines being ineffective, it's already been refuted more than once. As You are obviously uninterested in any evidence that contradicts your priors I'm not going to waste further time on it.

There's no clear evidence that Einstein ever made that quote about insanity. https://checkyourfact.com/2019/06/26...erent-results/ A better definition would be something like insanity is the inability to form views based on objective reality. Perhaps your concerns about this pandemic affecting mental health are not misplaced.

[Nick Danger]

I'm surprised you haven't told us that death doesn't concern you because you are an immortal superhero.

Here's a few facts which may not have penetrated to your part of the world.
- There have been no lockdowns anywhere in Australia for more than 2 months.
- The 7-day average for daily deaths here is 12, which would equate to 170 for the US population. That is one-ninth of the current US death rate.
- The current unemployment rate is 4.6%, compared to 3.9% in the US. The economy has not exactly been destroyed in either case.

It's good that you mentioned automobiles, because even though we let people drive they are subject to a bunch of rules because their driving affects other peoples' safety. We don't let them drive at whatever speed they like. We don't let them drive under the influence of alcohol or drugs. We don't leave obeying traffic lights or stop signs to their own judgement.

As to your claim about vaccines being ineffective, it's already been refuted more than once. As You are obviously uninterested in any evidence that contradicts your priors I'm not going to waste further time on it.

There's no clear evidence that Einstein ever made that quote about insanity. https://checkyourfact.com/2019/06/26...erent-results/ A better definition would be something like insanity is the inability to form views based on objective reality. Perhaps your concerns about this pandemic affecting mental health are not misplaced.

Never change, Flighty.

Interesting that your cases are at an all-time high but your deaths are at an all-time low. It's almost as if the current mutation of this virus isn't dangerous at all to anyone who isn't a bag of bones on a respirator and could easily be quarantined for their own safety so the rest of us could get on with our lives.

I get the vaccine thing, Flighty. It's a shitty, second-rate, experimental vaccine that's pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the pockets of our pharmaceutical overlords. It won't stop you catching or transmitting the virus but it might help mitigate the symptoms. That's why I'm SO curious as to why it matters AT ALL to some other human who ISN'T ME whether or not I GET THE FUCKING VACCINE! I'm almost violently curious about that. BTW not only do I "get" the vaccine, I am also getting the vaccine. For travel, but strictly against my better judgment. I was supposed to get it today but got snowed in.

The governments of the world are addicted to this virus, Flighty. At some point we're going to have to stand against them on the matter. They are never going to relinquish this level of control voluntarily, there will always be some justification for keeping up the farce. Until enough people say "Okay, you know what? We're done with your shit."

I swear to Christ if I thought I could get away with it, I'd put a bullet in Anthony Fauci for the good of all mankind.

You think I'm angry? You should hear what some of my friends are saying. They've simply gone way...too...far!

[broncofan]

Your post is insane Nick. I'll just address one thing though. Omicron is not the first variant and unfortunately will probably not be the last. The vaccine did prevent infection for every previous variant and it's possible it will for future variants. There's also no way to know for sure whether future variants will be more or less virulent. The selective pressure for virulence in viruses is not very strong so we could be dealing with something deadlier three months from now.

Your obsessive hatred of Dr. Fauci is as repulsive as it is irrational. The costs you've born during the pandemic have been virtually nil. You sound like a crybaby...to think you've previously said racism is a thing of the past...imagine if you actually had a legitimate gripe.

[Nick Danger]

Your post is insane Nick. I'll just address one thing though. Omicron is not the first variant and unfortunately will probably not be the last. The vaccine did prevent infection for every previous variant and it's possible it will for future variants. There's also no way to know for sure whether future variants will be more or less virulent. The selective pressure for virulence in viruses is not very strong so we could be dealing with something deadlier three months from now.

Your obsessive hatred of Dr. Fauci is as repulsive as it is irrational. The costs you've born during the pandemic have been virtually nil. You sound like a crybaby...to think you've previously said racism is a thing of the past...imagine if you actually had a legitimate gripe.

Prepare your asshole for the giant penis of enlightenment, Bronco. Many people - in fact, ALL the people I know personally, which, I'll admit, nearly all my friends are middle-aged Republicans - would say that you are the insane one.

As for Fauci, trust me, it's not racism. I'm Italian, if anything I was rooting for the smug asshole. Until I found out the whole damn pandemic is his fault in the first place. I guess the media's all done talking about Fauci's funding of the gain-of-function research that led to this shitstorm, his subsequent denials, and the smoking gun documents that proved him a liar. But I haven't forgotten. Maybe a bullet is too humane.

[Stavros]

Your post is insane Nick. I'll just address one thing though. Omicron is not the first variant and unfortunately will probably not be the last. The vaccine did prevent infection for every previous variant and it's possible it will for future variants. There's also no way to know for sure whether future variants will be more or less virulent. The selective pressure for virulence in viruses is not very strong so we could be dealing with something deadlier three months from now.

Your obsessive hatred of Dr. Fauci is as repulsive as it is irrational. The costs you've born during the pandemic have been virtually nil. You sound like a crybaby...to think you've previously said racism is a thing of the past...imagine if you actually had a legitimate gripe.

Not irrational, given his reply to you in the other thread-

“We will never see eye-to-eye because you consider 800,000 deaths to be a lot of deaths. 800,000 is a gift, with a big bow on it.”

Hitler, Stalin and Mao would be proud to associate themselves with such views. One wonders if the admiration is mutual.