Thought for the Day

[filghy2]

Unlike the Democratic Party and its media goon squad, Republican politicians and conservative-slanted broadcasters do not encourage their constitutents to engage in violence. And before you even go there, let's not forget how Donald Trump finished the speech in which the liberal media claims he incited the Capitol Riots - "PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD." Funny how that quote never seems to make it into the news coverage.

Here's an article documenting all the times Trump has encouraged violence, which has occurred many times at his rallies. And what exactly do you suggest Rudi Giuliani had in mind when he called for 'trial by combat'?
https://www.vox.com/21506029/trump-v...st-hate-speech

Where is your evidence that the Democrat Party of mainstream media have encouraged violence? Put up or shut the fuck up.

[filghy2]

White supremacy has absolutely nothing to do with conservative politics. White supremacists identify with the Republican Party because the Republican Party does not cater to people based on their race (Republicans are assholes to all equally). It is the obvious of their two choices in a political party; what are they going to do, espouse Affirmative Action? But the Republican Party does NOT identify with white supremacists, in any way, and in fact repudiates them at every opportunity.

Trump has refused to condemn white supremacists numerous times, most notably at the first presidential debate, or only condemned them in half-hearted terms. Typically he only reads out words (written by someone else) condemning them belatedly after there has been a backlash. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...20-9?r=US&IR=T

It's pretty clear the white supremacists perceive the message and see him as someone who's on their side. They are not just doing it because there is nowhere else to go - they love Trump far more than they do any conventional Republican politician.

[filghy2]

Just in case anyone needed a refresher on Trump's history with White supremacists.



And Nick Danger's response?

[Nick Danger]

Here's an article documenting all the times Trump has encouraged violence, which has occurred many times at his rallies. And what exactly do you suggest Rudi Giuliani had in mind when he called for 'trial by combat'?
https://www.vox.com/21506029/trump-v...st-hate-speech

Where is your evidence that the Democrat Party of mainstream media have encouraged violence? Put up or shut the fuck up.

You make me shudder a little, Flighty. I guess...I suppose this is...I reckon this is how most Democrats are living now - in their own private Idaho where they didn't do nothing.

Here's the video you want, Flighty:

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/s...violence-riots

Took me about 30 seconds to find a video of dozens and dozens of high-profile Democratic politicians, "news" broadcasters, and celebrities calling for violence (up to and including murder, sedition, and uprising in the streets) against the duly-elected administration.

Not sure if you live in another dimension or you're just ignorant, Flighty. I won't completely rule out the "different dimension" theory, because what do we really know about the structure of reality in light of recent advances in Quantum Field Theory, right?

[Nick Danger]

Or perhaps it's being held back by conspiracy theorist, gun nut jobs who think Joe Public should be allowed to own a tank or an F-22?

Or an aircraft carrier. I mean, as a citizen, what am I supposed to do if I want to attack Iran? You can't just show up with a pistol.

[Nick Danger]

They didn't even vote for Marjorie Taylor Greene to be removed from committee roles for impersonating a klansman. Again, your words are tested against your actions. She literally promoted great replacement theory which has been the catalyst for hate crime murders.

Bronco, I would like to see you illustrate the "Circle of Death" in which Marjorie Taylor Greene's ramblings led to hate crime murders.

I'm not going to defend that woman. Here in the world of conspiracy theorists, we have our standards. For example, while I do believe the Sandy Hook Massacre was staged, I don't think the Parkland shooting was. I don't believe in Bigfoot or UFO's, but I have seen some evidence that there was, at some point, an extremely large fish in Loch Ness. And I believe we did put two men on the Moon on July 20, 1969 - frankly that doesn't seem too difficult as long as you get the math right.

In truth, 11 Republicans DID vote MTG off her committees. The rest probably just made a black-and-white choice not to vote against a fellow Republican. I have yet to see a single Republican speak favorably on her behalf though.

She is a racist, and she was voted into office by racists in a very racist section of the country. It's not much more complicated than that.

[broncofan]

Bronco, I would like to see you illustrate the "Circle of Death" in which Marjorie Taylor Greene's ramblings led to hate crime murders.

I didn't say they did. In most cases where someone's rhetoric is dangerous it's not possible to show a direct link. I'm not suggesting every racist remark then has something to do with subsequent hate crimes but I also don't think you need a direct link when the advocacy is that extreme. One of the theories she promoted is great replacement theory which is basically the essence of modern white supremacist thinking. It states that the biggest threat to white people is having kids with non-white people and that Jews are facilitating it somehow. It also wasn't just a mistake or a careless moment but a commitment to the kind of overt hatred that motivates killers. 11 Republicans out of 210 voted to remove her from committees. It should have been unanimous.

Was that Nicole Wallace in the video you included about Democrats above? That would be odd since she was the white house communications director for GW Bush.

I fail to see how Robert De Niro saying he wants to punch Trump in the face is the equivalent of Trump saying he wants people to be punched at his rallies while he's running for President. I fail to see how someone saying we need to be out in the streets is the same as saying an election was stolen, of layering lie on top of lie to give people that impression, and engaging in all sorts of maneuvers to try to overturn the election including by trying to bully the vice president into not certify the electoral college vote. On the day that the vote was being certified he was putting public pressure on Pence not to certify the votes while speaking to a mob of mostly white supremacists. But you don't want to take my word for it, let's hear what that other famous Democrat Mitch McConnell said "They were provoked by the president and other powerful people, and they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government."

What I think you fail to acknowledge the gravity of is that we have a form of government that is spelled out in our constitution. We have rules governing how we have elections and we have laws. Trying to overturn a free and fair election by making dozens of completely implausible accusations and encouraging other Republicans to interfere with the will of the people is about the most dangerous thing a politician can do, besides advocate killing other politicians (see Marjorie Taylor Greene), or promoting a literal race war (see MTG).

[Stavros]

The American public can no longer differentiate between fiction and reality. We were recently presented with a months-long series of "PEACEFUL PROTESTS" by liberals that nearly brought the country to its knees and created billions of dollars in property damage and medical costs in the wake of countless acts of violence, mayhem, sedition, and vandalism.

This is just rubbish -if the USA has been 'nearly...brought to its knees' in the last year it has been due to the Covid-19 pandemic and the refusal of idiot Governors in Florida, Texas and South Dakota to take the measures necessary to mitigate its worst effects, and the economic cost of Covid is greater than BLM/Liberal protests by far. You also know that various armed militias took advantage of the BLM protests to cause trouble in Portland, as did the vigilante Kyle Rittencourt who seems to have disappeared when he should be in prison (which he would be were he Black).

Overall, your depiction of the USA as a hell on earth of violent, hateful, selfish, greedy, armed-to-the-teeth morons is closer to some extravaganty funded hoakum on Netflix than it is to real life. Yes, I have an apartment full of books, I have the flat-screen tv, computers, iPads, cell phones -but they are not signs of wealth, as collectively they are not worth much, and how many of the neighbours you have are rich, or bought their 60" Smart TV with a credit card because in fact they can't afford to buy one?

Covid-19 has also demonstrated the common phrase 'the kindness of strangers' is common because it is real. Volunteers working in food banks are real, they exist, as do millions of Americans who don't own guns, don't want to, and far from hating anyone get along with their neighbours, go to the same churches on Sunday, organize football and baseball and other sports in their spare times for themeselves and their children. It may not all be Apple Pie and baskets in the yard, but the USA is not as soulless and bleak as your present it. Or maybe that's just Utah, the irony being that the home of Mormons is the home of morons, what one assumes to be a citadel of Reigious fellowship just a sewer or envy and conflict. Funny old world, innit? Oh, and leave Kevin Bacon out of it. He is one of the good guys

[Nick Danger]

I didn't say they did. In most cases where someone's rhetoric is dangerous it's not possible to show a direct link. I'm not suggesting every racist remark then has something to do with subsequent hate crimes but I also don't think you need a direct link when the advocacy is that extreme. One of the theories she promoted is great replacement theory which is basically the essence of modern white supremacist thinking. It states that the biggest threat to white people is having kids with non-white people and that Jews are facilitating it somehow. It also wasn't just a mistake or a careless moment but a commitment to the kind of overt hatred that motivates killers. 11 Republicans out of 210 voted to remove her from committees. It should have been unanimous.

Was that Nicole Wallace in the video you included about Democrats above? That would be odd since she was the white house communications director for GW Bush.

I fail to see how Robert De Niro saying he wants to punch Trump in the face is the equivalent of Trump saying he wants people to be punched at his rallies while he's running for President. I fail to see how someone saying we need to be out in the streets is the same as saying an election was stolen, of layering lie on top of lie to give people that impression, and engaging in all sorts of maneuvers to try to overturn the election including by trying to bully the vice president into not certify the electoral college vote. On the day that the vote was being certified he was putting public pressure on Pence not to certify the votes while speaking to a mob of mostly white supremacists. But you don't want to take my word for it, let's hear what that other famous Democrat Mitch McConnell said "They were provoked by the president and other powerful people, and they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government."

What I think you fail to acknowledge the gravity of is that we have a form of government that is spelled out in our constitution. We have rules governing how we have elections and we have laws. Trying to overturn a free and fair election by making dozens of completely implausible accusations and encouraging other Republicans to interfere with the will of the people is about the most dangerous thing a politician can do, besides advocate killing other politicians (see Marjorie Taylor Greene), or promoting a literal race war (see MTG).

I think you're engaging in some very selective information processing there, Bronco. I see that you have elected to respond to Bob DeNiro's desire to punch the President in the face, but NOT to respond to Nancy Pelosi (the de facto leader of this nation's adult juveniles) encouraging "uprisings all over the country."

And let me ask you something - is it illegal to challenge the results of an election? "Unconstitutional?" Because factually, there have been EIGHT contested Presidential elections in this country's history, and COUNTLESS contested elections for various other offices.

Trump thought he won. Perhaps in hindsight it could be said he was somewhat delusional about it, but he certainly isn't the first and won't be the last American politician to fiercely protest the results of an election.

Now, what I believe is that Trump has an ego the size of a small planet, and he simply couldn't accept the defeat. But if I didn't know what I know about Donald Trump, I could just as easily say contesting the election results was one of the most savvy moves in modern political history. Pulls the teeth from the Democratic victory. Democrats WILL ruin the economy if given the chance, they have no economic plan whatsoever - their plan is literally to give every minority and special interest everything they want until they don't have any more money. But because Trump contested the election, there's no true public mandate for that kind of economic recklessness - a lot of Americans will go to their graves believing the Democrats lost in 2020.

It's interesting to me that you're taking what Mitch McConnell says at face value right now. Of course he's going to bend with the prevailing winds, he's a goddamn politician, and a pretty darn good one actually. All Republicans are currently in the process of distancing themselves from the Trump administration. Either that or they're preparing for a cancellation shitstorm from the liberal media.

There are 435 members of the U.S. House of Representatives, Bronco. How dangerous do you REALLY think Marjorie Taylor Greene is? Or are you just cherry-picking Republican dipshits to put on display. Because if that's the case, I can start cherry-picking Democratic dipshits and I really wouldn't have to brush many cherries aside. I'd start with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who actually wants to spend 93 TRILLION dollars - an amount greater than the entire value of the nation's GDP, real estate, and household assets combined - to kill the oil industry. Or how about Ilhan Omar, a corrupt Muslim politician who funneled 80% of her campaign contributions into her husband's consulting firm, is currently under investigation by the FBI for marrying her own brother, and has flatly stated that her political goal is to dismantle the entire oppressive system.

I mean yes, pot calls kettle black, it's the oldest trope in politics. Still, I don't see ANY Republican support for Marjorie Taylor Greene. I see quite a lot of Democratic support, though, for its collection of congressional fruit loops.

[broncofan]

You didn't put the video together but you posted it. The video wouldn't be long enough and needed people who aren't Democrats and actors. A video with Trump alone would have included as many legitimate instances. It wouldn't have to include someone saying something innocuous like that the majority of terrorists are right-wing and white. Samantha Bee said Ivanka was a "feckless cunt" which is rude and uncivil. How long would a video of Republican media personalities saying far worse things be? Imagine a video with Republicans who pitched snake oil for a deadly disease, who lied about the deadliness of disease, or the like?

A person has a right to use reasonable means to challenge a close vote. Requesting a recount is not unreasonable. Pursuing a claim of systematic voter fraud in good faith if there's any factual foundation is reasonable.

What Trump did was spend two months filing 60 lawsuits that in other circumstances probably would have gotten his attorneys sanctioned. The lawsuits were dismissed because they had no evidentiary foundation and/or the plaintiffs did not have standing which is a Constitutional requirement. In some cases the attorneys were afraid to repeat the claims in court for fear of sanctions. He had meetings where advisors of his were requesting a declaration of martial law to commandeer voting machines.

He was trying to stop legal votes from being counted while they were being counted. He was calling on Republican state level officials to go against the popular votes of their states. He called Brad Raffensperger on the phone and tried to get him to make him the winner of Georgia. If he had a legitimate theory for how he won the vote he didn't state it. In fact his theories were all over the place and when one was shot down he would raise another one just as implausible. That's not "smart". It's dangerous and destructive.

I haven't heard AOC or Ilhan Omar say or do anything that is anywhere close to advocating the death of other politicians which Greene did or support white supremacism or every conspiracy theory under the sun. Your bogeymen aren't actually advocating violence or warning people about "miscegenation".