Coronavirus

[tslvr]

What he actually said was that it would take some time to turn things around, which is a completely different point. When you inherit a virus that is spreading rapidly (nearly 200,000 new cases per day), and the incubation period is up to 2 weeks, it isn't possible to stop it quickly, especially when the federal government does not have the power to order lockdowns. Even countries that have been much more successful have taken weeks to get on top of more limited outbreaks.

Or would you prefer that he just told you it would vanish by magic?

I recommend to look up his exact quote.

[broncofan]

I recommend to look up his exact quote.

You made a characterization about what Biden said. Someone contested it. Now you're telling him to look up the quote. Why don't you look it up and post it since you're the one who initially claimed he said something?

[filghy2]

I recommend to look up his exact quote.

I assume this is what you are referring to. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/bide...al-months.html

I haven't been able to find the original words in full, but here's what he said on the same issue yesterday. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...d-19-pandemic/

"And our plan will take time. Progress from our plan will take time to measure, as people getting infected today don’t show up in case counts for weeks, and those who perish from those — from the disease die weeks after that exposure. You know, despite the best — our best intentions, we’re going to face setbacks, which I will always explain to you and acknowledge.

And let me be clear: Things are going to continue to get worse before they get better. The death toll, experts tell us, is likely to top 500,000 by the end of next month — February — and cases will continue to mount. We didn’t get into this mess overnight, and it’s going to take months for us to turn things around. But let me be equally clear: We’re going to get through this. We will defeat this pandemic."

Does that sound like what you described or what I described?

It's interesting that you made only one post on this topic over the previous year that Trump was in charge, which was to complain that the cure was worse than the disease. Yet now after only a few days you are complaining that Biden isn't doing enough to offer hope. What exactly do you want him to do?

[tslvr]

Please, I was not trying to steer how someone thinks, I just wanted ideas or thoughts on why he would say what he said after he said he had a plan to end Covid. But his exact qoute is as follows: 'If we fail to act, there will be a wave of evictions and foreclosures in the coming months as this pandemic rages on because there's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months." I'm not looking for a fight, just wondering agter he said he has a plan to stop or control the pandemic, he is now saying there is nothing that can be done.

[broncofan]

Is he saying that in a discussion of the stimulus bill? It sounds to me like he's saying that we need to pass a stimulus bill so that people don't get evicted from their homes while a pandemic is still raging. We are vaccinating about 1.5 million people (1 dose) per day and it takes about 14 days for people to develop antibodies that provide partial protection from the first dose.

Yes there is a strategy to reduce transmission of the virus but every strategy takes time to work if you've been paying attention at all. The R0 of the virus is 2.3 without public health measures and public health measures reduce it to just below 1, which is what is required to prevent increases in the number of cases that carry forward. As a simple matter of math, that takes a decent amount of time.

The single sentence you quote is a clunky if/then statement but it sounds like the focal point is that he doesn't want people to be evicted from their homes in the coming months. I can only imagine that you saw this quote by itself on an outlet that intended to misrepresent it because it's pretty much similar in sentiment to everything else he's said but is not phrased perfectly.

[broncofan]

It's entirely consistent with what filghy2 claims he said and what he has said a half dozen times. We have immediate control over the measures we take but it takes time for them to have an effect. He doesn't want people to think you go from 4,000 deaths a day to nothing overnight or that 200,000 cases can become a much smaller number within a few weeks because it's simply not possible.

The incubation period of the virus can be as long as 2 weeks and death tolls trail at least 3 weeks from transmission so even when measures are instituted you can have initial increases in both metrics.

Vaccination takes place in two doses and people develop some protection two weeks after the first dose and a couple weeks after the second. He already has the fda trying to work with moderna and pfizer on approving booster shots in the event that there isn't sufficient immunity to the South African and UK variants of the virus. He has also set benchmarks for distribution of the vaccine. If you don't mind me asking, where did you encounter the quotation?

[Fitzcarraldo]

Please, I was not trying to steer how someone thinks, I just wanted ideas or thoughts on why he would say what he said after he said he had a plan to end Covid. But his exact qoute is as follows: 'If we fail to act, there will be a wave of evictions and foreclosures in the coming months as this pandemic rages on because there's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months." I'm not looking for a fight, just wondering agter he said he has a plan to stop or control the pandemic, he is now saying there is nothing that can be done.

The key part of the quote is the beginning: "If we fail to act...." If we act, we can mitigate the negative consequences. It's not really that perplexing of a conditional statement.

[filghy2]

Please, I was not trying to steer how someone thinks, I just wanted ideas or thoughts on why he would say what he said after he said he had a plan to end Covid. But his exact qoute is as follows: 'If we fail to act, there will be a wave of evictions and foreclosures in the coming months as this pandemic rages on because there's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months." I'm not looking for a fight, just wondering agter he said he has a plan to stop or control the pandemic, he is now saying there is nothing that can be done.

Your whole point relies on taking a single phrase out of the context of everything else he has said. And you've deliberately ignored the other words I quoted, which make clear what he really means. After all the bullshit Trump has spoken on this virus, do you seriously want to engage in hair-splitting about one sentence by Biden?

If you genuinely wanted other peoples' thoughts why do you ignore their responses and just repeat the same dubious point? And why do you refuse to say what you think they should be doing?

[broncofan]

The key part of the quote is the beginning: "If we fail to act...." If we act, we can mitigate the negative consequences. It's not really that perplexing of a conditional statement.

I had initially thought that and was going to argue it but I think "fail to act" refers to failing to provide economic assistance while we're waiting for health measures to take effect. The negative consequences would be people getting evicted, which can't be avoided in the short-term with health measures alone bc of the time lag so we need to provide some financial assistance (or eviction moratorium) right now. In essence, health measures alone won't prevent some financial difficulty.

After "because" he states what he's stated about a half dozen times but much more strongly. This is the problem with taking extemporaneous comments in isolation because nobody is a perfect speaker. I'd be curious if this guy knows when he said it and what else he said because he clearly wasn't calling for fatalism. It is all highly lame. He's arguing about the urgency of helping people financially...

I also read today that he has now helped secure enough pfizer and moderna to cover 300 million people (600 million doses) by late Summer.

[broncofan]

Do a control f search in this link for "fail to act" and you'll see the context. Highly lame. He's saying we have to provide financial assistance to people because the virus won't disappear. In the next paragraph he even says not providing assistance would make the pandemic worse. So he's obviously not saying it doesn't matter what we do.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/01/22/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-american-rescue-plan-and-signing-of-executive-orders/

Edit: If you enter the phrase into google, you find the intentional distortion being amplified by fox news and ny post so we know where whatshisface encountered it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=if+w...w=1366&bih=657