Trannies for Trump

[Nick Danger]

The signal point is not that Religion is in decline in the US, but that what 'Project Blitz' does is to put into law expressions of religious fidelity in public life, disregarding the Constitutional provision to separate religion from politics. This is not some obscure group of fanatics but actual policy in States across the Union, and it not only directly affects LGBTQIAPN/B Americans, the use of State law to limit access to Abortion is directly affecting women. It may be easy for you dismiss the importance of people who are a minority in the country, you can't say that of women, and, crucially, the policy on Abortion is not determined by medical tests or any scientific test, but has its origin in the application of Religion as the force shaping public policy. It is real, it is happening and like Voter Suppression it really does make a difference. Across the USA the number of people denied the vote because they are Black or have a prison record is numbered in the millions, not the thousands.

Even if you accept your hysterical President is a 'here today, gone tomorrow' politician, he is but one part of a 'Conservative', more precisely Religious movement that pre-dated him, and will outlast him, but uses him to energize people who do share their values, even if they are all over 50 years old. Far from offering a leadership for all Americans, this one is partisan, though he has no real interest in Religion (he doesn't even know the words to God Bless America), but uses the Evangelicals for his own purposes.

What I tried to explain to you earlier is that this kind of religion stuff doesn't matter. These sorts of things go on all the time in this country - the, uh, "Crusade For Christ," "Judgment is nigh! Woe be unto you." It goes on and on. They're just preaching to the converted. These rallies happen in churches, sometimes sports arenas or the like, all the time. Seriously, I'm sure there's a "Rescue Our Children From Satan" Revival or a "Jesus Is The Real MVP" Rally happening within 50 miles of me right now. And that's not just because I live out in God's country.

Still, there's your biggest voting bloc in the country right there. So what are you gonna do, Stavros? What can you even say? You can't even say you're right about transgender rights, because the Baby Boomers say you're wrong, and there's so fucking many of them, they can never be outvoted while the majority of them are still alive. Sometimes the Baby Boomer vote is split, and that makes for interesting elections. But that hasn't happened here, all the Baby Boomers voted for Trump, and most of them will do it again. Then they'll die.

Trump went straight to the single most abundant generation in U.S. history, identified all their biggest problems and concerns, offered them solutions, and is actually making every effort to keep all his campaign promises. The Baby Boomers are Trump's people now.

The current Democratic platform doesn't appeal to Baby Boomers at all. They don't like what they see on television. Baby boomers (for the most part, obviously there are exceptions) think abortion is a black-and-white issue, many of them vote strictly on their abortion beliefs. They feel it would be a sin to vote someone into office who clearly wants to kill babies, so there's a tidy little straight Republican ticket right there. They don't understand transgenders, they don't understand "pansexual," and they really don't want to understand about any kind of alternative sexuality at all, sex is no longer the #1 thing in their lives. They just don't get/care about any of that stuff. And they don't want to, because furthermore, most of them grew up in households where sex wasn't discussed, period.

So that's your enemy, Stavros. What can you do about an enemy like that? I'll tell you what. Nothing. As I've said before, I absolutely encourage you to keep trying. It can't hurt. But you're not going to get what you want in the mid-terms, and you're not going to get what you want in 2020. 2024. You'll see.

[Nick Danger]

I was simply trying to show in a personal example, of how people are are affected, by certain issues. I assume that you might be aware of what some call, "the student debt crisis". Here is one such article: http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/...an-debt-crisis But also personal stories, multiplied do become national issues, sometimes. In fact my daughter, testified about her college loan experience, before a congressional committee, in Washington.

Once again let me state, that i believe that anyone, not matter what the circumstances can rise to success. But there are many people, whos chances of success a much more limited due to circumstances, of birth. Consider a 22 year old, shot dead in Walmart, because he was carrying an air rifle, that he had picked up off the shelf of the store. Someone in the store was scared and called the police, who shot him. And he had two young children, who may grow up with influence from his legacy. As a person, who has deeply contemplated spiritual issues, I think the world would be a better place, if people like you, consider yourself as blessed, rather than look at others, who are less successful, as somehow, deficient. For nearly every great successful person, there is someone, more talented, who is not as successful.

I'm aware of the problem with student loans, I've dealt with them personally, Yoda. Sometimes people rack up an abundance of student loan debt, then take a job at a bookstore. That's about what it boils down to in a nutshell for every defaulted student loan story. That's not excelling in your field, that's for certain.

A lot of people get off track, and I was one of them, if I was ever even on-track in the first place. I've always worked but never in my field of collegiate study. And I've bumped around from job to job quite a bit in my younger years. I've been garnished for my student loans - 15% of my pre-tax income IIRC. And the only way to get out from under it was to...get a new job.

I'm not sure what to tell you beyond that, though. At a certain point in life, I realized that if I wanted the things my father had, I was going to have to figure out a way to make some money. And I did, at great personal sacrifice of working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for years. Now it's not so bad.

I do consider myself blessed, and I really don't judge others, Yoda. That's for others to decide about themselves. I will point out if there's a flaw in your argument, though. The flaw in Stavros' argument was that he was taking your experience as typical. I don't think it is, and I think you would probably acknowledge yourself if you cared to that your experience was atypical. There was a flaw in your plan or a fly in the ointment, otherwise you would have been able to easily contend with $10k of student loans. If you are paying on time, the payments can be very flexible. The loans can always be consolidated for lower payments. I mean, you can stay on top of them unless something goes really wrong in your life. I know, because I stayed on top of mine for a while too.

Anyway pal, I'm not trying to tell you what's what, you know what's going on in your life. I'm merely trying to point out that most people are able to repay their student loans without problems. So obviously you had some. Good luck to you.

[giovanni_hotel]

All the baby boomers didn't vote for Trump, unless you believe all baby boomers are White.

Trump tapped that ugly vein of latent racism in the American body politic, it had nothing at all with appealing to baby boomer 'values'.

[filghy2]

All the baby boomers didn't vote for Trump, unless you believe all baby boomers are White.

Trump tapped that ugly vein of latent racism in the American body politic, it had nothing at all with appealing to baby boomer 'values'.

Probably just over half of the baby boomers voted for Trump - he got 52% of both the 45-64 and 65+ age groups. Romney got 51% of 45-64 and 56% of 65+, so it was not the key to the result. https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/poll...ps-voted-2016/

The key group that went for Trump in a big way were whites without college education.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...der-education/

[BostonBad]

How about the Cubans that locked down Florida for Trump? About 40% of Hispanic males voted for him nationwide.

Some people are tired of high taxes and want more economic liberty.

People that own property, work and pay more than nominal taxes elected Trump. Those who want to be, or who are the recipients of the taxpayer's money i.e. ebt, ssdi, section 8 voted for the Bern or Hillary.

[Nick Danger]

Probably just over half of the baby boomers voted for Trump - he got 52% of both the 45-64 and 65+ age groups. Romney got 51% of 45-64 and 56% of 65+, so it was not the key to the result. https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/poll...ps-voted-2016/

The key group that went for Trump in a big way were whites without college education.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...der-education/

Gee, that's odd, Flighty. The statistics I'm looking at say that 62% of whites 45-64 voted Trump, and 58% of whites 65 and older - i.e. 43% of all voters - voted for Trump.

I guess people can make statistics say whatever they want.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

[BostonBad]

The definition of whites vary. Some non whites self-identify as white. Other times the government has historically included Arabs and Hispanics as white.

Perhaps it's to not shock white voters with rapidly declining demographics.

[Stavros]

What I tried to explain to you earlier is that this kind of religion stuff doesn't matter.

Nick this is the kind of indifference that enables changes to the law to pass without protest.

The key point about Project Blitz is that it reveals a co-ordinated campaign across States to use State law to make the changes to the law that the Federal Government will not, or cannot. It probably means nothing to you if 'In God We Trust' is plastered on every public building and police car, but don't Atheist Americans, or Americans who value the Constitutional separation of religion and politics have rights their legislature should respect when they oppose a slogan that to them may have no meaning?

The realty is that laws are being passed, and will be proposed that claim to protect 'religious freedom' which in their application allow bigots to discriminate against Transgendered Americans. You can dismiss the Evangelicals, the End-of-Times, the weirdos and nutjobs as merely just that, but you are now seeing what happens when they form a coalition with Republicans and even Democrats terrified of losing the 'religious' vote if they campaign against 'Religious Freedom'.

But if freedom is to be narrowly defined as religious, what freedom is there for people without religion, and why should members of a Church have rights other Americans do not?

As for baby-boomers, who are the parents of Transgendered Americans under the age of 35? Are you suggesting that the parents of our friends have no interest in their own children? Yes, they may constitute a minority of Americas overall, but they still rank as Americans, and have rights too. Even the right to vote for a Republican Party and a President who loathes and detests them and wants to take away the rights they do have. This is the dilemma posed by the title of the thread.

[giovanni_hotel]

How about the Cubans that locked down Florida for Trump? About 40% of Hispanic males voted for him nationwide.

Some people are tired of high taxes and want more economic liberty.

People that own property, work and pay more than nominal taxes elected Trump. Those who want to be, or who are the recipients of the taxpayer's money i.e. ebt, ssdi, section 8 voted for the Bern or Hillary.

Fuck off.

It's not just the poor who sit in opposition to the 1%.

Republican economic policies are crushing the middle class too. Who do you think is paying for all the corporate welfare in this country, like the recent 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut??

Hard working Americans who pay their taxes but are far from being millionaires are being pissed on by people like Trump on the daily.

[filghy2]

Gee, that's odd, Flighty. The statistics I'm looking at say that 62% of whites 45-64 voted Trump, and 58% of whites 65 and older - i.e. 43% of all voters - voted for Trump.

I guess people can make statistics say whatever they want.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Only if you are prepared to cherry-pick them. Those figures appear to come from exactly the same source, given my 52% figure is shown at the top of your link. Your figures are for whites only, which is exactly the point that giovanni_hotel made.

Let me spell it out for you. Older people are more conservative than younger people - that is true, but it has always been true, even when Democrats were winning. I doesn't explain why Trump won. He won primarily because he tapped into the insecurities of less-educated white people by stoking racial fears and pretending that he had solutions to their economic concerns.