Climate change could mean the extinction of our species

[Jericho]

Privatising NHS means less taxes, less sick people, less communists.. But no, it has nothing to do with global warming - just like CO2 emissions caused by humans, which is my point.

Quite frankly, anyone who wants to privatise healthcare, is a money grubbing cunt!

[trish]

Quite frankly, anyone who wants to privatise healthcare, is a money grubbing cunt!

...or else a witless pawn of money grubbing cunts.

[Ts RedVeX]

I don't want privatising NHS. I want government to withdraw from economy all together. That is the only way of bringing back normality, free market, humanity.

Imagine what it takes to build an MRI scanner. There has to be multiple industries involved in the process and each and every one of them has to pay taxes - including the income tax which basically punishment for doing any work at all and is higher the bigger the company is. You democrats are against those big companies, voting for higher taxation for big firms. Those firms have to use services of other firms for their logistics, providing materials. All of those employ people who pay taxes. That is the theory. Because the reality is that all those taxes propagate down and it is always the consumer who wants to use that MRI scanner who has to pay all those taxes you think these companies are paying. That is why the night at a public hospital is so expensive. I mentioned a few times that according to E Savas any public enterprise is 40% less effective that it would have been, had it been in private hands. That means your 1000 dollars per night would come down to 600 dollars if it only was in private hands - neglecting the taxation bit, as those are so high due to the fact many more enterprises are also funded from your taxes... But you think your unions, democracy and pride will make the world a better place. Well fuck you. Cos it isn't. You are the witless pawns of those who tell you that they are giving you something for free.

[buttslinger]

I think I'll send a huge corporation a thousand dollar check to save the country.

[trish]

Imagine what it takes to build an MRI scanner. There has to be multiple industries involved in the process and each and every one of them has to pay taxes -

So far so good.

- including the income tax

Still with you - although for companies and corporations it’s a tax on revenue; income tax is a term usually reserved for taxes on an individual’s income (as opposed to the revenue of a company or corporate entity) through wages, dividends and gifts.

the income tax which basically punishment for doing any work at all

This is just utter nonsense. Taxes are not fines, because labor is not a crime. But as long as we’re stretching the meanings terms: taxes are the wages we pay to government entities (schools, transportation departments, justice departments, police, fire etc.) to perform the services we expect civilized societies to provide.

...and is higher the bigger the company is.

In principle yes, but in practice no. GE didn’t pay any Federal taxes this last year.

You democrats are against those big companies, voting for higher taxation for big firms.

This is a straw-man argument together with a obfuscatory lie. Democrats are not against companies big or small, provided they operate within the law, do not endanger the general public and pay their fair share. What we’re against is both individual and corporate freeloaders of any kind.

Those firms have to use services of other firms for their logistics, providing materials. All of those employ people who pay taxes. That is the theory. Because the reality is that all those taxes propagate down and it is always the consumer who wants to use that MRI scanner who has to pay all those taxes you think these companies are paying. That is why the night at a public hospital is so expensive.

It’s a nice theory but in reality it doesn’t fit the facts. In the U.S. there were no private hospitals until the 80’s. The cost of hospital stays rose as more and more hospitals went private. It’s just a fact. The cost of any given procedure, or any given dose of medicine, or even an elastic bandage varies enormously from one hospital to the next. High prices have very little to do with taxation and more to do with kickbacks and barely under the counter deals with private insurance companies - deals that vary from hospital to hospital and insurance representative to insurance representative.

But you think your unions, democracy and pride will make the world a better place. Well fuck you.

Unions yes. Democracy yes. Both have already amply demonstrated their usefulness in making the world a better and more livable place. Pride? Yeah, you can fuck my pride if you want. I don’t see how it enters the equation.

You are the witless pawns of those who tell you that they are giving you something for free.

Last time I checked it was the private market place telling me that if I buy two I’ll get the third for free. Read any ad sheet and you get coupons for free this, and free that. The government never told me I’d get anything for free. I have no children, but I’m happy to help pay for their public schooling. I was more than happy to help pay for CHIP which provided healthcare for impoverished children in the U.S. I pay taxes that build and maintain roads I’ll probably never drive on, but that’s fine with me, because the goods and services that I and my town depend upon ride over those surfaces. I’m proud to support my country and pay my taxes. Then again, you can fuck my pride, ‘cause it’s neither here nor there. What’s important is to realize that the optimization of corporate profits is not a principle that can guarantee optimal welfare for all citizens. The two concepts are distinct. It doesn’t even guarantee survival of the fittest, it only assuages the conscience of those most concerned with making a profit.

[MrFanti]

Here's something to ponder.
So with all this ice melting on the poles, we're finding all kinds of dinosaurs, prehistoric men, etcetera thawing out from underneath the ice.

What does all this mean?

Well, it means that those areas once covered by were actually warm! Add to that , was it global warming that caused the earth to come out of the Ice Age - or did it warm up naturally?

We know the answer to the last question....

[trish]

...those areas once covered by [ice] were actually warm

Continental drift.

was it global warming that caused the earth to come out of the Ice Age - or did it warm up naturally?

Precession of the Earth's spin.

We also know the answer to the question, "Why have the Earth's oceans and its atmosphere been warming for the last century?" Anthropocentric release of geologically sequestered greenhouse gasses largely through the burning of fossil fuels but also aided by various feedback mechanisms like the release of methane via the thawing tundra.

All of these processes are natural, although the last is (or was) preventable. Humans are just product of evolution like all the other organisms in the biosphere. Whatever we do is natural in that sense, whether we kill ourselves or thrive.

[Ts RedVeX]

The only people in the centre of this anthropocentric global warming is you and other commies so why don't you just do mankind a favour realise your idea and go kill yourselves.

[trish]

The only people in the centre of this anthropocentric global warming is you and other commies so why don't you just do mankind a favour realise your idea and go kill yourselves.

I’m not sure what you mean by ‘the centre of anthropocentric global warming’ (the two dimensional surface of the Earth has no center). Perhaps you think I’m the center of some sort of scientific conspiracy whose aim is to study, test and explain the processes of nature as objectively as humanly possible. I am involved in that project but hardly its center. In regard to anthropocentric climate change I do stand with the professional consensus of those scientists who have studied the phenomenon without regard to personal politics.

Oh yes, thank you for your kind suggestion. Were you always such a wonderful person?


Once again: my answer to the question, "Why do you believe in climate change?"
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...=1#post1796012

[broncofan]

Redvex is dismantling every thread she's in. Who but a communist would be so obsessed with communism? In fact, if I were a communist, this is the exact cover I would come up with. I would literally call everything a communist plot in an attempt to make people think I'm not a communist and that opponents of communism are irrational. Just a thought.