Climate change could mean the extinction of our species

[Stavros]

Politicians from the statutory NCB, of course, who clearly did not know about mining. Had there been no NCB, the disaster would not have happened. Miners had seen it coming 3 years before the tragedy struck, but of course, the commies from the NCB knew better where to dump the waste, didn't they? - Yet another argument against state-owned companies...

Of course, if politicians were keeping out of economy, miners would have had jobs for as long as private companies wanted to mine UK's coal. The problem was, the other state owned business would not be able to operate their trains with coal and wood from abroad would it...? Add global warming and more communists from Brussels to it and it turns out that UK's coal and miners are baaaad.

When I argued that lifting regulations protecting the environment from pollution caused by coal mining in the USA was damaging, you responded by saying it was not the business of the coal mining companies to protect the environment. Now you claim that it was the business of the NCB to do precisely that in Wales. The argument that the 'politicians' from the 'statutory NCB' did not know about mining has been plucked out of the air without reason, let alone evidence, just as you continue to deny that regulations imposed by government on industry intend to protect people from any potential accident whatever its cause.

For someone besotted with 'free markets' you should know that coal declined in Britain precisely because the markets decided oil and gas were cheaper, more efficient, and cleaner sources of fuel -which they are. It never was about political decisions, otherwise the State could have maintained an inefficient coal industry for decades. It appears you are defending jobs lost in the mines when it was markets that took them away. Surely you should be celebrating market forces?

Your other comments could be dismissed but it is evident you know next to nothing about the political affiliations of coal miners, many of whom were not only life-long members of the Communist Party of Great Britain, but elected a Party member a senior official of their union, the National Union of Mineworkers.

We therefore find you arguing against state regulation that protects safety and the environment while at the same time defending the Communists who argued for it. You cannot be right and wrong at the same time, can you?

[peejaye]

For someone besotted with 'free markets' you should know that coal declined in Britain precisely because the markets decided oil and gas were cheaper, more efficient, and cleaner sources of fuel -which they are. It never was about political decisions.

You WHAT! NEVER about political decisions? The Tories dismantling of the coal industry NOT political? YOU know better than that, letting your own personal views get the better of you, I think?
And for your information; The price of gas & coal as fluctuated over the last 10 years, the Power stations used to buy gas when it dropped in price then order coal again when it became cheaper & so on. Our business(ex employer) fluctuated too because of it!

[Stavros]

You WHAT! NEVER about political decisions? The Tories dismantling of the coal industry NOT political? YOU know better than that, letting your own personal views get the better of you, I think?
And for your information; The price of gas & coal as fluctuated over the last 10 years, the Power stations used to buy gas when it dropped in price then order coal again when it became cheaper & so on. Our business(ex employer) fluctuated too because of it!

The decline of coal actually began in the 1920s when the industry was privately owned. To the extent that it was the NCB that closed mines between nationalization in 1945 and the 1970s these were still commercial decisions even if the NCB was state owned. The political intervention which I described in the 1980s was intended to break the National Union of Mineworkers, with the longer term aim to return coal mining to the private sector. To the extent that coal remains a part of the UK's energy profile it is because it has been able to retain a commercial presence in the market. However political the management of the industry might have been, the decisions on pit closures were commercial.

[bluesoul]

humans will be the means to the extinction of our species

i'll also leave it to the dickhead that has made it his life to google facts to: this

go for it asshole. write us a fucking essay with your facts about 1920s elephants being poached against today elephants and all that crap because that's a fucking great thing you're there buddy. you're really making a change with your wonderful esssays on hungangels like a dipshit

[filghy2]

Finally, someone who makes RedVex look reasonable. Maybe it's time to abandon this thread to the loonies, Stavros.

[broncofan]

Finally, someone who makes RedVex look reasonable. Maybe it's time to abandon this thread to the loonies, Stavros.

Wait, what are you doing? He finds you civil and polite, qualities he admires in others!

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...the-Day/page41

[filghy2]

Yeah, we had quite a civil exchange, but he's gone right over the top recently for some reason.

[Stavros]

humans will be the means to the extinction of our species

i'll also leave it to the dickhead that has made it his life to google facts to: this

go for it asshole. write us a fucking essay with your facts about 1920s elephants being poached against today elephants and all that crap because that's a fucking great thing you're there buddy. you're really making a change with your wonderful esssays on hungangels like a dipshit

Bluesoul it is about evidence that others can look up to decide for themselves if my argument is right or wrong. If I make an assertion I offer a reference so another poster cannot say I just made it up. I read your opinions on a lot of things but never know their source -personal experience? Something a friend told you, something overheard in a bar or a party? But that is your choice.

Google is a search engine and a portal to a global library of books, articles, web-sites/blogs that offer you more insight and evidence than I can provide on my own.

The dilemma of humans-vs-elephant on the one hand illustrates today the extent to which human settlement is invading the natural habitat of elephants -it could just as well be gorillas and other primates in Africa, or bears in north America- but on the other hand is not new, as the famous essay by George Orwell 'Shooting an Elephant' was first published in 1936.

[bluesoul]

thanks. will be sure to check that amazing book. can i get it on amazon? it's right up there on my reading list. (shakes head as useless information)

[bluesoul]

Yeah, we had quite a civil exchange, but he's gone right over the top recently for some reason.

don't worry bro. i ain't mad at'cha for giving me a check. what is redvex though? is that some kind of insult?

bronco: good detective work. do you also collect my various poetry coz i have one that can be very valuable to your collection. i'll give you a hint: i wrote it in 2012. have fun