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[Aticus100]

The other thing that makes the argument about “alcohol kills more people than guns do” such bullshit is that ultimately we are all responsible for our own actions and our actions are ultimately the only ones we really can be responsible for.

And with that in mind, it’s really fucking difficult to drink someone else to death.

[Ts RedVeX]

Ban life. Statistics show that 100% of living human beings die...

But seriously, statistics are statistics, and the argument is completely irrelevant. No matter how many per cent of people use their guns rightfully, I personally would like to have the capability of defending myself. I don't care if that would constitute to 10% of 0.1% of all killings. It is about principles. If a terrorist, whether he is a Chinese communist, American communist, or Martian communist is trying to restrict my freedom, I would like to be able to oppose to it by any, preferably the most effective means.

If an idiot shoots themself accidently, then he is making a favour to all the other people as he decreases the overall number of idiots. If an idiot commits murder, then death is the correct penalty for them. That is how natural selection works. If you try to change those basic laws of nature, sooner or later you end up in a situation where nature is going to have to purge all the idiots who had not been able to follow its basic laws. We have seen that in Mandalay Bay the other day: the idiot died, but not before taking dozens of lives of people who were most likely not other idiots. - That is the cost people who believe they are protected by the police or state or whatever other institution had to pay. And by idiot here, I mean anyone who thinks they can control another's life as much as they like - in this case by taking it.

[MrFanti]

we are all responsible for our own actions and our actions are ultimately the only ones we really can be responsible for.

Which is exactly why banning guns is bullshit - People and their actions are responsible for killing, not the gun...
Thanks for proving my point!

And with that in mind, it’s really fucking difficult to drink someone else to death.

Try and use this point of yours to parents of the children killed by drunk drivers each year....

The hypocrisy is strong here!!!!

[MrFanti]

Spare us the crocodile tears. It's obvious you are just using one of the gun lobby's classic diversionary tactics. The merits of more regulation of guns don't depend on the merits of more regulation of alcohol (or vice versa).

Spare us your hypocrisy!
You claim to want to save lives and yet because you want to drink you don't want to ban alcohol that kills more per year than guns.....Why don't you bring your hypocritical argument to not ban alcohol to this woman...

Woman’s family killed by drunk driver,

http://fox8.com/2015/09/21/drunk-dri...s-going-viral/

Or talk to the parents of this toddler and great grandmother.....
http://fox13now.com/2017/03/13/polic...t-grandmother/

All this carnage and death by drunk drivers but you ONLY want to ban guns so you can enjoy your drink......

[MrFanti]

But I have learned one thing.....it's definitely ludicrous to debate with hypocrisy so I'll leave you folks to continue now without me....

[Ts RedVeX]

Mr Fanti makes probably the most sense of all of you lot.

- regarding gun or drug misuse
A death caused by murder is indeed an example of gun misuse (almost 9k cases in 2010)
A gun death caused by proper use of gun, or justified homicide (less than 700 in 2010)

Guns are already regulated: you need to have been 18 years old to get one. This is of course another example of a bad, communist restriction because as most of us know, being a certain age is not exactly equal to being mature. It is also caused by the fact that the state believes parents are to dumb to not allow their kids to get guns at an earlier age.

[peejaye]

Then maybe you should leave us all in peace too RedVex.....
Oh & Vex; Don't be tempted to buy a gun whilst residing in the UK, we will miss your presence on here for a couple of years

[Ts RedVeX]

Since the UK has decided to leave the crazy EU communists, the temptation is much lower.

[Stavros]

We have seen that in Mandalay Bay the other day: the idiot died, but not before taking dozens of lives of people who were most likely not other idiots. - That is the cost people who believe they are protected by the police or state or whatever other institution had to pay. And by idiot here, I mean anyone who thinks they can control another's life as much as they like - in this case by taking it.

Translation: if the State creates a police force the citizen must pay taxes to maintain it, but citizens can defend themselves when armed, so why demand taxes for the police force? There is no justification for a State, no justification for an army or a police force and the taxes needed to maintain them, we live in a world of individuals and only individuals can make decisions that affect themselves. Thus Spake Ayn Rand, the pseudo-philosopher whose roots were in...Marxism:

In her description of the American state, Rand nearly reiterates the Marxist interpretation: It is not a body representing the interests of the majority which selects the leaders of the state and the legislature, but a tool in the hands of evil forces. Orthodox Marxists consider it to be the capitalists; Rand considers it to be all sorts of demagogues and “robbers.”
https://shlapentokh.wordpress.com/20...9s-philosophy/

[Stavros]

Since the UK has decided to leave the crazy EU communists, the temptation is much lower.

Would that be the same 'Communist' EU that has given you the right to move freely from Poland to live in the UK where you can work legally, buy a house and a car, vote in local elections, and marry the person you love without regard to their gender status or sexuality? You don't have to love either the UK or the EU to give thanks for the freedoms we have given you and not dismiss what we have as 'communism' as if that in itself were pure damnation.