For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

[Stavros]

That's all correct but I believe the areas voting to leave were the most impoverished areas of the UK?

Indeed, as a report commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Trust has shown, extract below. But note too that areas where Leave scored highly -65% in Lincolnshire, for example- are heavily dependent on EU trade, just as many fishermen who voted Leave are using boats purchased with EU funds, and so on.

The result of the referendum, therefore, has thrown new light on deeper social, geographic and cultural divides that often lay hidden below the surface of our national conversation. Looking ahead, it seems likely that these stubbornly persistent and growing inequalities will strengthen. Both regional and individual disparities have pushed to the margins overlapping groups of voters, who live either in areas of decline or who live on low incomes and lack the skills that are required to adapt and prosper amid an economy that is increasingly built for those with skills, qualifications and resources. The more disadvantaged voters that turned out for Brexit are also united by values that encourage support for more socially conservative, authoritarian and nativist responses. On the whole, Leave voters have far more in common with each other than they have things that divide them. Over three-quarters of Leave voters feel disillusioned with politicians; two-thirds support the death penalty; and well over half feel very strongly English. Over one third of Leave supporters hold all three of these attitudes, compared to just 6 percent who do not hold any of them. This more liberal group of Brexit voters, therefore, constituted a very small part of the coalition for leaving the EU.
https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit...-opportunities

[filghy2]

That's all correct but I believe the areas voting to leave were the most impoverished areas of the UK?

It's also true that the areas voting to leave have relatively few immigrants, even though concerns about immigration appear to have been the key factor behind the vote. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/...-mainly-brexit

People seem to be very prone to fear of things they have little direct experience of.

[peejaye]

I suspect the only areas with very few immigrants are in the Tory Heartlands & the Cotswolds?
It's not really relevant is it? 52% said out & we want to see it happen, soon!

[Stavros]

I suspect the only areas with very few immigrants are in the Tory Heartlands & the Cotswolds?
It's not really relevant is it? 52% said out & we want to see it happen, soon!

It works both ways. Lincolnshire has a high volume of migrant and immigrant workers but is mostly Tory; whereas across England in general the majority of Tory constituencies have the lowest levels of foreign born immigrants.
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...-vote-13073361

The referendum result hides too many variables to reach the conclusion that the 'British people' voted to leave the EU, and does not ask the question that was not asked, what does leaving the EU mean? If you set aside the barrage of lies and misinformation produced by the Leave campaigns, the free movement of people which became a substitute for immigration was only one of the key issues on which voters registered Leave. Some voters had no interest in the EU but saw the referendum as a chance to vote against the Cameron led government. Moreover, 52% on a turnout of 72% does not to me register a convincing argument, and in legal terms, a referendum has only advisory capacity it is not binding on the government.

It appears from recent news reports that the government has discovered how difficult it is going to be to extricate ourselves from the EU, and the various arguments for and against a transitional phase -rational to most, a sell-out to the hard-liners- suggest we will be in the EU in some form for maybe the next 5 years, or even ten.

We have yet to receive any clear alternative from the Labour Party which so far has colluded with the Tories to take the UK out of the EU without a clue as to what they think will happen when we do.

It is still possible that the House of Commons will reject the two Bills (the current 'Repeal' Bill, and the Article 50) when they are voted on, or reject some parts of the Bills. The idea that we will have a 'clean break' and be members at 11.59 and not members from midnight seems fanciful to me.

But who knows? We don't even know how much longer Theresa May or her rickety government is going to last.

[peejaye]

What you & the Establishment are not convinced by means nothing to ordinary, hard working people whom have had enough & voted leave!
I don't care about turnout figures, the Establishment got a kick in the teeth & long may it continue.
I may even get a seat on a morning Eurostar service out of St Pancras when that load of free-loaders get their comeuppance!
Win win win for Peejaye

[Stavros]

But Peejaye, what do you win, when you win? I don't think of myself as being part of the establishment, I don't vote for either of the two establishment parties...

[peejaye]

Then I'm sorry Stavros. As for what I mean; I despise the Establishment. I will gladly pay more for things despite being put out of work by this Governments stupidity!

[Stavros]

Then I'm sorry Stavros. As for what I mean; I despise the Establishment. I will gladly pay more for things despite being put out of work by this Governments stupidity!

Peejaye if you voted to Leave the EU, why did you vote that way? Was it because you wanted to attack the establishment or because you genuinely think the UK will be better off outside the EU?

-Take back control of our borders: we have never lost control, the UK can deny entry to anyone from the EU, and it often has.
-Take back control of our laws: we have never lost control, the UK Parliament has had the right to veto all and any EU law.
-Take back control of immigration: the UK govt can pass laws to halt immigration to zero any time it wants to.
-Sign trade deals with anyone it wants to: true, but inside the EU UK firms have signed trade deals with all of the major economies that the UK outside the EU would want to trade with. We don't need to be outside the EU to trade with the world, because the world wants to trade with the EU.

We are giving up access to a market of 500 million that most of the world wants entry to, and all of the deals we have made in the last 40 years were an integral part of the UK's membership of the EU. It works. And it works to our benefit.

[filghy2]

Then I'm sorry Stavros. As for what I mean; I despise the Establishment. I will gladly pay more for things despite being put out of work by this Governments stupidity!

All I can make out from your various posts on this topic is that you have no idea what you are in favour of as an alternative to EU membership, you are unable to explain how exactly you will be better off and your principal motivation is resentment of "the Establishment". Also, that democracy is so sacred to you that there can be no further votes, even though it is unclear what the 52% of 75% thought they were voting for.

Aside from anything else, why do you imagine that Brexit will hurt the Establishment more than it hurts people like you?

[flabbybody]

Is rehashing the referendum result worth our time? You guys voted to leave.
Yanks voted for Trump. For better or worse (certainly worse) we need to accept these outcomes and move on.

"Democracy is the worst form of government.....except for all the others"
Winston Churchill, London 1944