TRUVADA: Why are we ALL not taking this???!!!!

[Westheangelino]

Because your bullshit graphs convey the following message to people: fuck long enough (either using condoms or Truvada), and HIV infection is inevitable. Pure bullshit

[kaientai]

Because your bullshit graphs convey the following message to people: fuck long enough (either using condoms or Truvada), and HIV infection is inevitable. Pure bullshit

Yeah but your talking like Truvada is the end all to HIV wich it is not, the way to take it etc.. You are going to trust someone who says he/she takes it daily? Even if you are taking it you are a long way away from being 100% Safe. No offence Wes

[Westheangelino]

Yeah but your talking like Truvada is the end all to HIV wich it is not, the way to take it etc.. You are going to trust someone who says he/she takes it daily? Even if you are taking it you are a long way away from being 100% Safe. No offence Wes

It IS the end. Your whole statement is assinine. The only person you need to trust is yourself!!! get on it, stay on it, stay negative

[trish]

Because your bullshit graphs convey the following message to people: fuck long enough (either using condoms or Truvada), and HIV infection is inevitable. Pure bullshit

If you were immortal and exposed yourself to HIV infection long enough, yes...then transmission is inevitable, regardless of what protections you use. But we aren't immortal and some of those graphs are very slow risers (those illustrating PrEP use WITH CONDOMS barely get above 0.0355 in a lifetime of normal sex with an HIV partner.

The bullshit that's being peddled in this thread is that the effectiveness of Truvada would be 100% were it used consistently as directed. Truvada can be UP TO 92% EFFECTIVE PROVIDED IT IS USED AS DIRECTED. According to the CDC...

"Pre-exposure prophylaxis, or PrEP, is a way for people who do not have HIV but who are at substantial risk of getting it to prevent HIV infection by taking a pill every day. The pill (brand name Truvada) contains two medicines (tenofovir and emtricitabine) that are used in combination with other medicines to treat HIV. When someone is exposed to HIV through sex or injection drug use, these medicines can work to keep the virus from establishing a permanent infection. When taken consistently, PrEP has been shown to reduce the risk of HIV infection in people who are at high risk by up to 92%. PrEP is much less effective if it is not taken consistently.
PrEP is a powerful HIV prevention tool and can be combined with condoms and other prevention methods to provide even greater protection than when used alone. But people who use PrEP must commit to taking the drug every day and seeing their health care provider for follow-up every 3 months." http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/research/prep/
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Ninety-two percent effective only means it lowers the unprotected risk of protection by 92% The CDC puts the risk of unprotected insertive anal sex with an HIV partner at 11/10000. 92% lower is 0.88/10000. That's not bad. If you're using Truvada as directed your probability of avoiding HIV transmission through a single anal insertive exposure with an infected partner is 0.999912. The probability you will avoid infected should you expose yourself twice is (0.999912) times (0.999912). This works out to be 0.999824. A decade of anal insertive sex with an HIV infected partner may entail as many as 5000 exposures (figuring one or two exposures daily). The probability of non-transmission during a run of 5000 exposures is (.999912) times itself 5000 times. That works out to 0.644; i.e. there a 35.6% chance that you'll be infected by decade's end.

[kaientai]

It IS the end. Your whole statement is assinine. The only person you need to trust is yourself!!! get on it, stay on it, stay negative

Wes it is not and I did no mean to be assinine but you are putting to much trust in this. Even if you take it daily the way it is intended to (meaning on a regular time with food) on a bad day (just a little flu for instance) you can still catch or give this terrible thing

[lifeisfiction]

Let us all not forgot. Not every person has HIV and just because a person has HIV does not mean it can be contracted. If a person exercise common sense and diligence in choosing partners, practices safe sex methods or remains in a sole relationship where neither partner has HIV, you chances of getting is extremely low to nill. I think we tend to forget the real world facts is some people who have contracted HIV have engaged in unsafe sex practices putting them at high risk for transmission. I do like Trish's analysis, but we must remember it is our decisions sometimes can lead us into trouble.

From what I have been gleaning Truvada was pushed for high risk people, those who will not use protection. Most people who exercise care are not getting HIV, but there is a subsection of people (and its increasing) who don't care for condom use, do not get tested regularly assuming they have nothing or are occasionally lax on their safe sex practices. These are the people who are at risk for HIV.

[Westheangelino]

Wes it is not and I did no mean to be assinine but you are putting to much trust in this. Even if you take it daily the way it is intended to (meaning on a regular time with food) on a bad day (just a little flu for instance) you can still catch or give this terrible thing

What are you even talking about???? The flu??? What have you read suggesting that influenza inhibits Truvada's efficacy??? And how does an HIV negative person on Truvada "give this terrible thing?"

[Teydyn]

Looks like i had it right. Wes doesnt care about math.

Because your bullshit graphs convey the following message to people: fuck long enough (either using condoms or Truvada), and HIV infection is inevitable. Pure bullshit

That is exactly what the CDC numbers tell you. With a set chance of infection per year/encounter (even a miniscule one) your chance to catch it rise over the years. Honing in on 100% over a long time. (this time might be longer then a human lives, but a chance of 36% over a decade is nothing to sneeze at)

Trish showed the math. Easy math. Maybe she got the numbers wrong, but unless there is a 0% chance of infection the idea behind it stays. Why dont you go and give her the "real" numbers instead of saying "bullshit, you lie, truvada is 100% safe" even though there are many numbers that claim the opposite?

And how does an HIV negative person on Truvada "give this terrible thing?"

Might it be he was talking about someone positive on truvada? Just maybe? Then the sentence makes sense?

[Tapatio]

It IS the end. Your whole statement is assinine. The only person you need to trust is yourself!!! get on it, stay on it, stay negative

Truvada. Resistant. Strains.

They exist. Truvada is not the end of HIV.

Wes, wishing won't make it so.

[dreamon]

Truvada. Resistant. Strains.

They exist. Truvada is not the end of HIV.

Wes, wishing won't make it so.

No dude this is literally a cure for HIV, the evil pharmaceutical companies just are suppressing the truth.