The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[trish]

Armed is encumbered, by the piece, by weight of one's paranoia and by the incessant need to justify oneself to others for carrying it.

[Dino Velvet]

D V: Am I the only person on here who can't get GIFs to work?

Just like posting regular pics except you can't upload them from your hard drive.

[thombergeron]

LOL. Have you ever even been to a gun show? "Hardly a week goes by without someone being accidentally shot at one". I went to gun shows in Las Vegas. If you choose to bring your firearm into the show, you must check your guns at the desk, where they inspect to see if they are unloaded and then use a ziptie to keep the slide and magazine well locked up so you can't load it while walking around. There are no loaded guns in shows. Display guns are unloaded, chambers are locked or blocked with zipties or other devices, have no magazines nearby and bullets are sold by separate vendors. It's not like it's a fairground full of people waltzing about with loaded assault rifles and pistols.

Maybe I overestimated you; you're not acting very smart nor curious.

5 injured after firearms go off at Ohio, N.C., Indiana gun shows

That police officer was an active duty cop when the murder happened. So much for "only cops should have guns." As for the guy who shot a cop in a police station the other day... he was met by a hail of return gunfire. You can't simply walk into a building with armed people and go on a spree. You'll be put down fast by the good guys with guns. Not so much for every school, theater, church and mall shooting spree in the past few years. No one shot back. Not even armed security or a school resource officer were available... Just unarmed victims everywhere.

There is a reason that police departments, gun stores and gun shows don't get shot up by spree killers.

Plainly, police departments and gun stores do get shot up. The “gun free zone” talking point is a marketing strategy developed by the firearms industry for the purpose of expanding the market for firearms.

Similarly:

Unfortunately, there are many areas across this country, that people are forced to live in, because of expenses or other conditions, where crime rates are high and merely walking out your door exposes you to gangs, muggers, sex predators and drugs. In some places, being locked inside your own home is no longer safe, where criminals or even hordes of them, are willing and able to smash down your door to take your things, even your life. And even more unfortunate, is that you can have police to help you... in about 15 to 20 minutes.

“And the fact is, that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger and more lethal criminal class: Killers, robbers, rapists and drug gang members who have spread like cancer in every community in this country. And the fact is, that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger and more lethal criminal class: Killers, robbers, rapists and drug gang members who have spread like cancer in every community in this country.”
Wayne LaPierre, President, NRA, December 21, 2012

According to the U.S. Department of Justice, violent crime has been declining steadily for 20 years; the violent crime rate in 2012 was approximately one-quarter the rate in 1993.(PDF)

I travel a lot for my work, but when I’m home, I live I the inner city. We don’t keep firearms here because we don’t need the added risk. We do have a big-ass dog, and we know everybody in the neighborhood so nobody fucks with us. But not everybody here is so lucky, and two young men who lived across the street from me were both killed over some stupid neighborhood beef. One was 19, and then two years later his brother was killed. He was 25. Over nothing, just because it was easy enough for some pissed off guys to get a gun.

We have made it incredibly easy in this country for crazy people, criminals, and idiots to gather up as many firearms as they want. Both you and the other gun nut of the week on here offer that same old gun nut argument: “I’m a responsible gun owner. I know what I’m doing. I’m careful. I would never handle my weapons irresponsibly.” So, fine. You’re the one gun owner who’s immune to momentary distraction. But current U.S. gun policy makes virtually no distinction between responsible gun owners and irresponsible gun owners.

Look, no one is coming to take your stupid fucking gun away. Grow up. But a responsible society makes some effort to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of crazy people, criminals, and idiots. Guns are dangerous. That’s the fucking point of guns. Mandatory licensing, universal registration, mandatory safety devices, and strict liability. If you’re actually a responsible gun owner, why would you be opposed to those things?

Armed is encumbered, by the piece, by weight of one's paranoia and by the incessant need to justify oneself to others for carrying it.

Well put.

[Prospero]

The media reports that twenty students were seriously injured in a Pittsburgh school when a student went on a rampage with a knife. All are expected to survive.


Fool! He should have used a gun in the fine old American tradition. They'd all be dead.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...l-9248774.html

[martin48]

If the other students had had guns then they would have shot the guy. Just stating what the pro-gunners will say

The media reports that twenty students were seriously injured in a Pittsburgh school when a student went on a rampage with a knife. All are expected to survive.


Fool! He should have used a gun in the fine old American tradition. They'd all be dead.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...l-9248774.html

[kittyKaiti]

Maybe I overestimated you; you're not acting very smart nor curious.

5 injured after firearms go off at Ohio, N.C., Indiana gun shows





Plainly, police departments and gun stores do get shot up. The “gun free zone” talking point is a marketing strategy developed by the firearms industry for the purpose of expanding the market for firearms.

Similarly:



“And the fact is, that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger and more lethal criminal class: Killers, robbers, rapists and drug gang members who have spread like cancer in every community in this country.”
Wayne LaPierre, President, NRA, December 21, 2012

According to the U.S. Department of Justice, violent crime has been declining steadily for 20 years; the violent crime rate in 2012 was approximately one-quarter the rate in 1993.(PDF)

I travel a lot for my work, but when I’m home, I live I the inner city. We don’t keep firearms here because we don’t need the added risk. We do have a big-ass dog, and we know everybody in the neighborhood so nobody fucks with us. But not everybody here is so lucky, and two young men who lived across the street from me were both killed over some stupid neighborhood beef. One was 19, and then two years later his brother was killed. He was 25. Over nothing, just because it was easy enough for some pissed off guys to get a gun.

We have made it incredibly easy in this country for crazy people, criminals, and idiots to gather up as many firearms as they want. Both you and the other gun nut of the week on here offer that same old gun nut argument: “I’m a responsible gun owner. I know what I’m doing. I’m careful. I would never handle my weapons irresponsibly.” So, fine. You’re the one gun owner who’s immune to momentary distraction. But current U.S. gun policy makes virtually no distinction between responsible gun owners and irresponsible gun owners.

Look, no one is coming to take your stupid fucking gun away. Grow up. But a responsible society makes some effort to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of crazy people, criminals, and idiots. Guns are dangerous. That’s the fucking point of guns. Mandatory licensing, universal registration, mandatory safety devices, and strict liability. If you’re actually a responsible gun owner, why would you be opposed to those things?

I'm aware the crime rate has slowly been decreasing overall nationally. That doesn't negate the fact that there are many areas which crime rates are very high.

Tell me how any of these things will do anything to stop gun deaths.

Mandatory licensing: You own a gun... and a piece of paper that says you can own it. Effect: None. Person still owns a gun.

Universal registration: You own a gun... and the government knows you do. Effect: None. Person still owns a gun.

Mandatory safety devices: You mean trigger locks, magazine well locks, gun safes and lock boxes? These things exist. They can also be removed with a key. Effect: None. Person still owns a gun. Gun is stored safely when not in use. Pretty standard among all legal gun owners.

Strict liability: As in criminal charges? You mean "assault with a deadly weapon", "murder", "criminal discharge of a firearm", "menacing with a firearm", "aggravated battery"? These strict laws exist. Do you mean insurance for people who own guns? There are insurance providers that exist for gun ownership, although not mandatory. They cover property damage, bodily injury, court fees, bail and medical costs. Effect: None. Person still has a gun. Insurance will cover bills and costs. Criminal codes already exist in law.

You say it's easy for criminals and crazy people to just go out and buy tons of guns. That is false. Every state and every and each gun sale, requires a background check. This includes criminal and mental health records. There are loopholes unfortunately that can be closed up, such as gun show purchases and private sales, depending on the state. Those loopholes need to be added into background check laws. However, this is not going to shutdown black-market and underground weapons sales commonly used by gangs and felons to acquire illegal weapons. Criminals will always find ways to acquire guns, regardless if all the legal gun stores are shutdown and prohibited. And for those who want to try and throw in "assault weapon bans", these are even more absurd laws that have no effect on firearm lethality. Banning external aesthetic tactical accessories has no impact on performance or lethality of a firearm and does not change its ease of use.

The gun free zone issue is a marketing ploy? I thought it was more about getting schools to have adequate protection from armed criminals. I know that my high school I attended had an armed school resource officer. Every school should have an armed police officer or security officer. We're shitting ourselves over terrorists trying to underwear bomb our airplanes so much, we're willing to let the TSA molest our dicks and vaginas, yet we can't put an armed cop in every school?

[kittyKaiti]

The media reports that twenty students were seriously injured in a Pittsburgh school when a student went on a rampage with a knife. All are expected to survive.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...l-9248774.html

We are only moments away from knife prohibition like you silly British people.

[Prospero]

Silly British? Taking into account the difference in size of of our populations the number of annual gun deaths here is tiny compared with the US....

[buttslinger]

The problem with these serious debates is you have to declare in the ground rules whether this is to debated on a third grade level, a high school level, college level, Presidential level.

I have no evidence that Obama is here, but that means the people with 2 Masters Degrees will win every time, even if the high school graduate doesn't realize it.
On the Presidential level, you have to weigh out gun control against the possibility of Nuclear war with Iran, 4 dirty bombs exploded simultaneously on the East Coast, Putin, China, the elections, Snowdens, infrastructure, debt, drugs, prisons, homelessness, poverty, along with Pesidential approval ratings!!!

Kaitikins, why did no one ask what your therapist thought of you bringing a concealed weapon in your purse? My psychiatrist/neurologist had like 12 years of med school. His first day with me he asked me to recite all the Presidents backwards. I made it to FDR. One time I told him one of his crazy old lady patients almost plowed me down with her car in the parking lot. He said he parked way in the back.

Even in the Gun Happy US, you can avoid gun violence totally by avoiding high crime areas. Get a nice job and move to the suburbs. Your most dangerous visitor will be a Jehovah's Witness.

Thank God you don't live in Mexico, where you can get killed so gringos can get high. I got in trouble when I went looking for action downtown, pussy on every streetcorner. I could buy a machine gun or a diamond ring for 300 bucks. I got arrested once, I got the clap once. Living la vida loca.

All the gifs I find are too big.

[kittyKaiti]

Kaitikins, why did no one ask what your therapist thought of you bringing a concealed weapon in your purse? My psychiatrist/neurologist had like 12 years of med school. His first day with me he asked me to recite all the Presidents backwards. I made it to FDR. One time I told him one of his crazy old lady patients almost plowed me down with her car in the parking lot. He said he parked way in the back.

Even in the Gun Happy US, you can avoid gun violence totally by avoiding high crime areas. Get a nice job and move to the suburbs. Your most dangerous visitor will be a Jehovah's Witness.

A few things to clarify: At the time I was seeing that therapist, I did not own any guns. I was 19. Secondly, I would never carry a firearm in a purse, and that is because of a few reasons.

#1: Carrying a loaded firearm in a purse, crowded together with dozens of objects, can easily accidentally discharge if an object (like a pen) was stuck in the trigger guard and pressed on the trigger. That would be stupid.
#2: I always carried in a locking holster. The same kind of SERPA holsters commonly used by many law enforcement officers. The holsters secure the trigger guard area from accidental discharge and keep the gun locked in so other people cannot take it from you. The release button is conveniently placed so the wearer has easy access to release the gun, but another person could not release it without a struggle, if they even know how to use a SERPA holster.
#3: Carrying a gun in a purse, even if you had a trigger guard cover, which are available to shield the trigger from accidental pulling, is a bad idea. If you need to pull a gun to defend yourself, having to spend time digging through your designer bag to find your gun is wasting valuable seconds you need to effectively ward off an attack.

"Get a nice job and move to the suburbs". Unfortunately, for many people, it is not that easy.