Great Bible verses!

[Stavros]

You are right Satan is not mentioned in Genesis - in fact he seems to be rather a minor character in the whole story. Yes, my post was a "parody" (must remember Amercians don't usually get irony). I agree that where we are today - our moral norms, our laws, our societal structures - all owe much to religion; but it doesn't make it true or that it is the right path to follow.

The future of humankind is in our hands and not in the hands of a deity.

But this is the pivot on which so much of religion rest: people are given, as it were, the 'rule book' or 'Instruction Manual' yet the actual observance of 'the book', and the actual behaviour that constitutes an individual life, is entirely human. That someone does, or does not believe in the 'ultimate' judgement of that life by God (or doesn't care), separates the religious from the secular, except, as I understand it in Buddhism.

[Stavros]

Once a person goes beyond self interest, to family community, etc, I don't see any major system besides religion, that promotes a universal treatment of others.

Socialism, Yodajass -offers a universal view of life on earth as something that we produce together, consume together, and should therefore share together. In this country -and it relates to disparate communities in England, Scotland, and Wales, the socialist movement had roots in the non-established churches which were often just a group of workers in a small town or village meeting in someone's room, but whose sense of community was more egalitarian than the one they perceived to be ordered by the Church of England with its hierarchy of priests and its structural relationship to the state/monarchy. A powerful sense of fair play and justice derived from the life of Jesus informed the daily lives of people who laboured, yet were poor; who served the state, yet received little in kind. It is quite different from what Frederick Engels claimed was the 'scientific socialism' of his friend Karl Marx, whose impatience with religion has been handed down in the epithet 'religion is the opium of the people'. Far from it in this country where it played an instrumental role in the formation of the Labour Party in 1900, most of whose leaders have been committed Christians who believed they had a duty above all to tackle poverty -the one exception, Tony Blair, never having known the reality of the wars and economic depressions of the first 50 years of the century which were so important to an earlier generation, even though his own professed Christianity was kept 'under wraps' by his Press Secretary Alastair Campbell who said of the Labour Govt 'we don't do God' (in fact the issue was to conceal Blair's fidelity to the Roman Catholic church as the Prime Minister of the UK cannot be Catholic).

It is a curious thing that early socialists often used Christian imagery when talking about the world they wanted to live in. The mystical, radical poet William Blake wrote in one of the most famous-and most misunderstood- poems in our language of Jerusalem re-built in 'England's green and pleasant land', having first produced two verses of bristling sarcasm as if the industrial landscape emerging at that time was incompatible with a perfect society; and this sense of a place of equality and justice became an important theme in much socialist literature. And when it is not an image of heaven on earth to soothe away the pain of long hours for little pay and no real freedom, it becomes (in another poem on Jerusalem) an image of ultimate liberation:


I Give you the end of a golden string;
Only wind it into a ball,
It will lead you in at Heaven’s gate,
Built in Jerusalem’s wall…

[SammiValentine]

mega mark verses giant gospel according to luke???

on syfy this sunday!!!!!!!!

[buttslinger]

It's pretty obvious who has read a book around here, I can't re-find my verse in the Bible, maybe I dreamed it, but it went something like this:

The Apostles and Jesus were hanging out talking, when one of the Apostles quizzes Jesus-
"We've followed your rules, we love God, and we love our neighbor, so how come we can't heal the sick or perform miracles?"
"Those things can only be achieved through prayer"

[buttslinger]

You are right Satan is not mentioned in Genesis -.

My friend actually took me over to the Satan's house, I remember it was a cold day. I thought the little brother was FAR worse than Lucifer. Their Mom was out so we smoked some really good weed and drank ice water. They had a nice crib, but it was like a sauna in there.

[yodajazz]

Socialism, Yodajass -offers a universal view of life on earth as something that we produce together, consume together, and should therefore share together. ....

You make a good point. However religion with their churches, give a direct sense of community, dealing with everyday issues, and individual situations. Ministers can serve as private counselors etc. But you make a good point.

[buttslinger]

There is a Society in England that gets together, at least there used to be, and they are all Bible Scholars to some extent, and they take each red verse in the New Testament that Jesus said, and they discuss it, trying to decide if it is something Jesus actually said, or something some guy SAID he said. All of the words of Jesus were written secondhand, after all.
I may have said this before.
"Give unto Caesar" ...that is solid Jesus. But there are some verses that are questionable.
One of my Professors in Collidge told my class this, and I wondered to myself if Jesus didn't have off days, or if being WISE meant you were locked in to a permanent wisdom from which you can't fall back, or if wisdom is a universal finite wisdom, or if it comes in flavors. I know there are all kinds of smart and stupid, but I didn't think you and some other guys could sit down and grade another guy on his wisdom. God is Universal, but only to some.

[Jamie Michelle]

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

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Hi, Silcc69. For the answer to your above issues, see 7.4.2: "God’s Relation to the Old Testament", pp. 46 ff. of my following article (published under my legal name):

James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708; PDF, 1741424 bytes, MD5: 8f7b21ee1e236fc2fbb22b4ee4bbd4cb. http://ssrn.com/abstract=1974708 , http://archive.org/details/ThePhysic...ryOfEverything , http://theophysics.host56.com/Redfor...ics-of-God.pdf , http://alphaomegapoint.files.wordpre...ics-of-god.pdf , http://sites.google.com/site/physico...ics-of-God.pdf

Additionally, in the below resource are six sections which contain very informative videos of physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler explaining the Omega Point cosmology, which is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) of God's existence per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics), and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), which is also required by the known laws of physics. The seventh section therein contains an audio interview of Tipler.

A number of these videos are not otherwise online. I also provide some helpful notes and commentary for some of these videos.

James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", alt.sci.astro, Message-ID: jghev8tcbv02b6vn3uiq8jmelp7jijluqk@4ax.com , 30 Jul 2013 00:51:55 -0400. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ro/KQWt4KcpMVo , http://archive.is/a04w9 , http://webcitation.org/6IUTAMEyS The plain text of this post is available at: TXT, 42423 bytes, MD5: b199e867e42d54b2b8bf6adcb4127761. http://mirrorcreator.com/files/JCFTZSS8/ , http://ge.tt/3lOTVbp

[yodajazz]

There is a Society in England that gets together, at least there used to be, and they are all Bible Scholars to some extent, and they take each red verse in the New Testament that Jesus said, and they discuss it, trying to decide if it is something Jesus actually said, or something some guy SAID he said. All of the words of Jesus were written secondhand, after all.
I may have said this before.
"Give unto Caesar" ...that is solid Jesus. But there are some verses that are questionable.
One of my Professors in Collidge told my class this, and I wondered to myself if Jesus didn't have off days, or if being WISE meant you were locked in to a permanent wisdom from which you can't fall back, or if wisdom is a universal finite wisdom, or if it comes in flavors. I know there are all kinds of smart and stupid, but I didn't think you and some other guys could sit down and grade another guy on his wisdom. God is Universal, but only to some.

A monthly magazine I read, had a column from a scholar name Rocco Errico. He a scholar in the actual language Jesus spoke, as well as other related language. There were some idioms of the time. Republicans least favorite saying of Jesus is: "It's harder for a rich man to get into heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle." Rocco said in an article that the "Eye of the needle"hy, was a the name a specific mountain passage. It was supposed to be difficult but not impossible for camels to do.

One idiom I read about, in related Semitic culture, was a term called 'natural born eunuch'. This meant gay, and t people, I suppose, that were not attracted to females, by nature of their feelings from birth. Jesus said, "Some are born that way, and some were made that way by men" as he was answering a question about eunuchs. It doesn't seem to me, that he would be referring about a rare birth condition, in light of the idiom's meaning. The ones made by men, were done sometimes to prisoners of war. And certain professions required this, such as those guarding royal women's quarters. Jesus ended the passage saying, "Them that understand, should accept it".
(later translations after King James version). Jesus then is clearly in disagreement, with the "God hates Gays" crowd.

[Stavros]

You make a good point. However religion with their churches, give a direct sense of community, dealing with everyday issues, and individual situations. Ministers can serve as private counselors etc. But you make a good point.

Sorry, Yoda but I think that the egalitarian component of socialism undermines the authority of churches and ministers -indeed a signal failure for many in the development of Christianity has been, quite precisely, the way in which churches, ministers and popes have become an institution creating its own rule book, its own hierarchies, appearing to become distant from the core message of the Gospels. This might not happen in small communities (but small communities can be oppressive in their own way), and the Quakers don't have a priestly order to dole out advice and punishment. Socialism is supposed to live and breathe through co-operation, yet in those cases where it too developed into an institution, it was seen to fail, and fail rather badly...perhaps human societies cannot organise themselves without creating hierarchies?

Your point in the other reply about Eunuchs is I think a slippage of terminology -there may have been an ancient word for the 'intersexed' who have always existed, but a 'Eunuch' is a man-made creature...