The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[Silcc69]

We have another one.

http://nypost.com/2013/09/25/man-on-...g-island-mall/

So how long before the next shooting?

[Ben]

Piers Morgan Battles S.E. Cupp, Van Jones Over Guns for the Blind: 'You've Gone Stark Raving Mad!'

[robertlouis]

As I tend to point out every three months, this thread is called The FAST Approaching Gun Ban.

So far, almost twelve months, god only knows how many multiple shootings, to say nothing of the daily toll of gun deaths, whether deliberate or by accident, and what has actually happened to curtail the bloody tide?

Not a single fucking thing. And the gun advocates here and elsewhere continue to react hysterically as if all their guns are somehow going to be taken away and they'll have to find another penis substitute.

Get a grip, get real. Your ownership of guns is even less under threat than it was before. Just look at the past year.

Carry on killing.

[volkov2006]

If you go by the FBI mass shooting rates of more than 4 or more killed in one instance I believe the number of mass shootings this year to be about 6.

Although if you change that to 4 or more wounded not killed in one instance that number jumps to around 250 around the time of the Navy yard shooting.

Also from December 8 1980, John Lennon was shot and killed since then till March 22, 2013 at least 1,057,000. I have also heard that since then the number of killed in this country by guns out weighs the number of US soldiers killed in all foreign wars combined. I personally think that something must be done.

I understand that the number of people killed by cars, cigarettes, cancer, and other non weapons is much higher. Although none of these were designed as weapons. Cigarettes causes cancer but not everyone who smokes dies because of it, same can be said of cancer, cars, and other items that have high death rates. Guns were designed for one purpose killing, whether for war or for hunting that is what they are for nothing else.

People are so scared that if we restrict certain weapon types that no one will be able to own a gun, but I believe that around the 1930's the US banned the sale and ownership of automatic weapons, specifically machine guns. Has that stopped anyone from owning a gun. After the shooting of Regan and Brady we started to have background checks did that stop people from owning guns, yes some, the ones that could not pass those tests. If you can't pass a drivers test you do not get a drivers license and not legally drive a car, why should that be different for a deadly weapon.

Also for the people that don't like having gun registries because they think that is what the government needs to take your guns away, and the NRA cried bloody murder over it. Well guess what the NRA has a gun registry and was using it and adding to it at the same time they were opposing a national registry. Also we all have to register our cars and trucks here in the US and when we sell them we have to sign over the registry and that gets sent to the government so if it is used to commit a crime they know who to look for or at least start looking, yet for guns we should just be able to sell them to who ever and if they are used in a crime well I guess we can not use the gun evidence to do an investigation.

Since December 14, 2012 there have been 8,789 gun related deaths reported on TV. According to a CDC study roughly 25,679 have died since 12/14/12. In the last war Iraq/Afghanistan there was less than 6,000 US soldiers killed in combat. Please someone explain how in a country that prides itself on being civilized how can the domestic gun death rate be 25,679 to 6,000. Are people in the US just homicidal or what?

[notdrunk]

Since December 14, 2012 there have been 8,789 gun related deaths reported on TV. According to a CDC study roughly 25,679 have died since 12/14/12. In the last war Iraq/Afghanistan there was less than 6,000 US soldiers killed in combat. Please someone explain how in a country that prides itself on being civilized how can the domestic gun death rate be 25,679 to 6,000. Are people in the US just homicidal or what?

It is a touchy subject. For example, a white person is more likely to kill himself/herself with a firearm than being murdered by another individual using a firearm. A black person is more likely to be killed by somebody using a firearm than commit suicide using a firearm. According to the CDC, from 2008 to 2010, the firearm homicide rate for blacks age 10 to 24 was 48.4 per 100,000. During the same time period, the firearm homicide rate for whites age 10 to 24 was 2.4 per 100,000. In 2007, the homicide rate for white males was 3.7 per 100,000. And, the homicide rates for black males and hispanic males? 41.1 per 100,000 and 12.1 per 100,000.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6001a14.htm

So, the attitude of NIMBY develops when it comes to firearm: Gun-related crime tends to plague the minority communities. So, why should the majority be punished because the actions of some in minority communities are causing negative attitudes towards firearms? Most members of the NRA and other pro-gun groups are apart of the majority. So, NIMBY.

[hippifried]

Yeah, real touchy. So I suppose if it wasn't for all that extra pigmentation, we wouldn't be having schools & theaters shot up... But wait a sec. isn't it a bunch of white guys who've been doing that kinda crap? Well, except for the military bases. If memory serves, I think this is the first by a black dude. Hmmmm... Must be something wrong with the stats. I'm sure there's a perfectly logical explanation on the klan blogs somewhere, if anybody wanted to waste the time looking.

[robertlouis]

And the underlying message is, as long as it's only blacks shooting each other, why the hell should we care? SMH.

[trish]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us...&smid=pl-share

[notdrunk]

Yeah, real touchy. So I suppose if it wasn't for all that extra pigmentation, we wouldn't be having schools & theaters shot up... But wait a sec. isn't it a bunch of white guys who've been doing that kinda crap? Well, except for the military bases. If memory serves, I think this is the first by a black dude. Hmmmm... Must be something wrong with the stats. I'm sure there's a perfectly logical explanation on the klan blogs somewhere, if anybody wanted to waste the time looking.

I guess you forgot about people like Colin Ferguson, Omar Thornton, Hastings Wise, and others. According to Mother Jones (a secret klan site), from 1982 to now, there have been 11 mass shootings in which the perpetrator is black compared to 44 mass shootings in which the perpetrator is white. How many mass shootings since 1982? 67 mass shootings. There should be more white mass shooters than black mass shooters because majority of this country is white. The vast majority of murders in this country aren't caused by mass shooters. Gun-related homicide and crime tends to plague some communities more so than others. So, individuals that are from communities that aren't plagued by gun-related homicide and crime develop a NIMBY attitude when it comes to firearms.

And the underlying message is, as long as it's only blacks shooting each other, why the hell should we care? SMH.

Wrong. A firearm is simply a tool. Why do some individuals belonging to one group are inclined to use a firearm for nefarious reasons more so than other individuals? Is it environment, heredity, or a combination of both?

[trish]

A firearm is a tool designed for killing. It shouldn't be surprising to find that they tend to be used for that purpose. Environment? Yes, guns are a part of the American environment. Not surprisingly Americans get shot and killed more than their counterparts in civilized Western nations. Heredity? Beyond the hereditary fact that we have an opposable thumb that allows us to both grasp the handgrip and pull the trigger, it's doubtful gun violence and gun accidents have a particularly hereditary explanation unique to Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us...&smid=pl-share