The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

[dderek123]

I am a bit emotional over what happened in this case, but that's no excuse for inappropriate comments.

[BBaggins06]

Chicago also a huge metropolitan that is a hop, skip and a jump away from Wisconsin and Iowa. The borders are gun permeable.

I'm just saying that our lack of concealed carry laws hasn't stopped us from having hundreds of murders every year. It's not as simple as your post suggested. Plus with all the restrictions in the CC law, only about a dozen people will be permitted carry a firearm in about 0.05% of the state. That's only a slight exaggeration

Btw, I don't think the Wild West was as wild as you think it was ...

[BBaggins06]

It's not a few. It's thousands. And accidents don't just happen to the low IQ, though I admit it takes a pretty low IQ to decide to carry a gun to begin with. Police officers have accidents all the time. Trained veterans. I know the rules, I used to hunt with my father and my brothers. All hunters know the rules. Yet Cheney shot his friend in the face. An acquaintance of mine mistook his father for a turkey. These people are necessarily of low IQ. It only takes acting like idiot once.

http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/

Now that is just wrong Trish and you know it. You're better than that. If you seriously believe what you wrote here, then I lost much of the respect I had for you. Sweeping generalities like should be beneath you ...

[trish]

The 'gun show' loopholes you mention... are really the 'private sales' 'loophole'.

Any person or business that routinely sells firearms must be a federally licensed dealer (aka FFL) and has certain paperwork requirements (ATF form 4473) which involve background checks of the buyer. Even at a gun show an FFL is still required to have the buyer fill out the 4473 and have it called into the NICS for a background check.

A person who is not in the business of routinely selling firearms is free to go to the gun show and sell their arms with a handshake if they like (depending on state laws). The same also goes for any transaction they might conduct in their living room, a parking lot or virtually anywhere else within the state that both are a resident of.

To call it the 'gun show' loophole once again demonstrates your ignorance of the issue as it applies to *all* private sales. Of course your ignorance is shown doubly so when you say 'gun show loopholes' (plural). I'm very familiar with the laws regarding firearms at the state & federal level... and would love to hear what other loopholes you think exist at gun shows other than the lack of a background check for private sales (which still does not absolve the seller of liability).

Thank you Bob for pointing out the "gun show loophole" is really a special case of the more general "private firearm sales loophole." If you don't mind I'll continue to use the shorter and more common vernacular when referring to this issue.

Given the intransigence of the NRA and gun "enthusiasts," I won't be proposing anything else today. I'm not optimistic that we can make even this small revision to our current laws. You know, slippery slope and all. Close the gun show loophole and soon the government will want to take away your right to duel.
No! Don't tell me! I'm ignorant again?! They already have?! And now they've taken away that freedom, they're going after the gun show loophole?! Damn that slippery slope.

[BBaggins06]

So your plan is repealing the 2nd amendment.

That's typical conservative rhetoric where any common sense regulation is tantamount to revocation of the 2nd amendment. There are no absolutes in the law. The truth and ideal is necessarily somewhere in the middle.

[BBaggins06]

Federal law and interstate commerce statutes apply then. I doubt anyone wants to deal with that unless they really have to.

Replying to your own post is kinda like talking to yourself or the voices in your head ...

[BBaggins06]

I don't know why people are pissed the Hispanic got off. The white guy wasn't on trial. The Hispanic got off with all white women the jury. What's the problem? If it was old white guys on the jury, then sure.

Try again. One of the jurors was from Chicago and was (and always will be) Hispanic. Again, why bring the jurors' race into it?

[trish]

Now that is just wrong Trish and you know it. You're better than that. If you seriously believe what you wrote here, then I lost much of the respect I had for you. Sweeping generalities like should be beneath you ...

(trish)It's not a few. It's thousands. And accidents don't just happen to the low IQ, though I admit it takes a pretty low IQ to decide to carry a gun to begin with.

Sweeping generality, made in mocking response to an idiotic claim. My bad.

(trish)Police officers have accidents all the time. Trained veterans.

True statement (if by "all the time" one means "almost daily". Just peruse the link provided in that post. Almost every day a gun expert is involved in an firearm accident. I certainly would rather hunt with people who have had some training, but training is not the panacea against accidents the believers claim it to be. Even the trained get distracted, hurried or fooled by unusual circumstances.

[BBaggins06]

...because all governments, democratic or not, like the king the Framers had to deal with, like Germany in which the National Socialists won the Federal elections during the 1930s, can become tyrannical.

Lol

Godwin's Law - it was just a matter of time ... You lose

[BBaggins06]

Sweeping generality, made in mocking response to an idiotic claim. My bad.

True statement (if by "all the time" one means "almost daily". Just peruse the link provided in that post. Almost every day a gun expert is involved in an firearm accident. I certainly would rather hunt with people who have had some training, but training is not the panacea against accidents the believers claim it to be. Even the trained get distracted, hurried or fooled by unusual circumstances.

Everything you said would have been fine without the ad hominem argument on anyone wishing to get a concealed carry permit ... It was just so out of character for you, very surprising ...