17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[natina]

well its important because out of the blue zimmerman claims martin jumped

him and that he did not pursue or stalk martin. the new twist is zimmerman went on the talk show round and changed his story to martin was skipping and not running away from him.

his story has changed multiple times

EXHIBIT #1

zimmerman is a proven liar

help help help!

zimmerman lies to police saying he was the one hollering and screaming for help not knowing that the screams would be forensically analysis and he would be found to be a lie

your voice is as UNIQUE AS A FINGER PRINT.

voice identification NOW IS JUST LIKE FINGER PRINTS thats how terroist or potential terroist are caught now .

USING FORENSIC VOICE ANALYSIS.

*ZIMMERMAN LIED,TRAYVONS LAST WORDS WAS" HELP"!

*ZIMMERMAN SAID TRAYVONS LAST WORDS WAS "YOU GOT ME"





Expert Voice Analysists Say Screams are NOT zimmerman

Owen Forensic Services LLC they have newer technology thats used by the CIA AND OTHER GOVERMENT AGEN

Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence
Owen Forensic Services LLC they have newer technology thats used by the CIA AND OTHER GOVERMENT AGENCIES IN TERROIST CASES.its been used in murder trials successfully.

THE FBI does not have the state of the art voice analysis technology ZIMM LIED!

*two forensic voice identification experts

*"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence

*Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.

information leaked that the voice forensically tested.

Zimmerman lied claiming he was the one hollering for help a witness collaborated it then...


after information leaked that the voice forensically analyzed and it wasnt Zimmerman hollering for help the witness took back there story that it Zimmerman hollering for help Zimmerman caught in a lie cause he did not know the incident was being recorded on 911 tapes


* ZIMMERMAN IS A LIER
* ZIMMERMAN LIED ABOUT CRYING FOR HELP
** ZIMMERMAN LIED ABOUT CRYING FOR HELP HE DID NOT KNOW THE INCIDENT WAS BEING RECORDED

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-2-experts-say

EXHIBIT #2

video talks about new evidence & zimmermans gift to the DA and MARTIN FAMILY

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/justic...iew/index.html


http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html


VOICES ARE LIKE FINGER PRINT,UNIQUE SAYS OWEN

Trayvon Martin case 911 call: Screams not George Zimmerman's, 2 experts say


The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.

"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.




The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.

"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
The conclusions of Owen and another audio expert were first reported by the Orlando Sentinel on Saturday.
Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17. He claims the shooting was self-defense.
The 911 call, reposted in this YouTube clip, came on the night of Feb. 26 from a woman who reported someone crying out for help in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
In the recording of her phone call, panicked cries and a gunshot are heard.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-2-experts-say

EXHIBIT #3

Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...rvers-say?lite

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_story.html

the charge is not 2nd degree homicide .

the charge is Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life (Criminally Negligent Homicide ).

He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.

911 call records george Zimmermans's desire to DETAIN Travyon martin.

ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...rvers-say?lite

Criminally Negligent Homicide

(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_story.html

What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.

Instead they will set out to prove that zimmerman by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:

-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator

-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program

-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement

Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.

He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.

In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,

or the firing of the gun.

Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.

If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...

then he's guilty under the law.

EXHIBIT #4

now zimmerman claims trayvon was skipping & not running away from him.

he also claims he was not following trayvon.

the DA says that zimmermans story is changing as he tells it


http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/justic...iew/index.html

Zimmerman’s most egregious lie is above. De La Rionda asked Zimmerman about how many statements he gave. Zimmerman replies. De La Rionda asked Zimmerman if he said “I don’t remember?” when Serino/Singleton poked holes in his account of what happened, using the non-emergency phone call to do so, and Zimmerman replied matter-of-factly, “Absolutely not.” Folks, that is the third lie to His Honor’s Court. George Zimmerman Legal Case has the audio still up. It is up for anyone who wants to listen to it. Make no mistake, when asked about things that didn’t add up, Zimmerman would say “I don’t know/I don’t remember.” When it was clear that Serino/Singleton were playing bad cop or no longer believed him, Zimmerman got defensive, lied, and omitted facts. He told the dispatcher he was following Trayvon. On the February 29, 2012, part 3 of the interview with Serino/Singleton; he said he wasn’t following, but walking in the same direction. When asked what type of running Trayvon was doing, he said he couldn’t remember/didn’t know. When asked why he got out of his car, Singleton bluntly said, “That isn’t what you told me.”


George Zimmerman is going to assert an affirmative defense in his second-degree murder trial. If Zimmerman has no interest in expressing fidelity to the truth in His Honor’s Court, I wouldn’t be making any long term plans for the future unless they included a prison facility.

important read more;
http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html

[buttslinger]

If you want to identify someone's sins, see who they point their finger at.

There used to be a joke in Washington DC-
APB: Black Male, late teens, early twenties......

It is a fact of life that somebody like Trayvon is a lot more likely to be involved in crime than a girl, or an old person.

If Zimmerman had had any real training, or had been judged by a higher up in a Police Academy, he never would have gotten caught up in the bullshit macho Fox News justice system, he would at worst have stopped a suspicious looking character, talked to him, and said goodnight.

If I were Zimmerman, I'd be lying my ass off too! You can bet his lawyer has told him to expect a long stretch in the slammer, the truth is not going to set him free.

[yodajazz]

Natina, I was basically arguing points of Exhibit 3". That's the closest to my view. And to think, there are people out there, who didn't think this matter should come to a trial.

[natina]

Latest Disturbing Trayvon Story Not Actually True

Martin did not film friends beating up a homeless guy


(Newser) – George Zimmerman's legal team has been digging up some less-than-flattering background information about Trayvon Martin—but one story that made the rounds Friday, involving Martin allegedly recording his friends while they attacked a homeless man, turns out not to be true. Daily Intel explains what happened:

• Zimmerman's defense initially thought it had a video of Trayvon doing just that, but it had not released the video yet. The Orlando Sentinel, anticipating the video's release, prepared a story describing the video. Then that story was accidentally posted Friday, before the video had been released.

• The Sentinel story was quickly removed when the error was realized, but a cached version started getting attention.
• Zimmerman's defense team then released a statement explaining what the video actually shows: "Trayvon Martin, along with a buddy, was videotaping two homeless guys fighting each other over a bike."
• The Sentinel then published a story explaining the correct sequence of events, noting that Trayvon simply happened upon the two homeless men.

Seeing as the judge ruled evidence like this video will only be allowed at trial if the defense can authenticate it, Adam Martin writes, "They'll have to do a better job with that than they have so far."

http://www.newser.com/story/168911/l...ally-true.html

[yodajazz]

Put out a sensational story, that is a lie. Not as many people will get the admission that the story was wrong, because that is not as sensational. Accidentally posted? Yeah, right. Yet they try to discredit the major living witness, the girlfriend, saying she lied about her age. I don't even know the circumstances. I know that many teens lie about their age, for various reasons. Thanks for the info, Natina.

[natina]

JURY selection begins


George Zimmerman trial: Day 4 of jury selection in Trayvon Martin shooting


No jurors have been seated yet for high-profile Zimmerman trial


SANFORD — A middle-aged housewife in a hot-pink jacket — a prospective juror in the George Zimmerman trial — bluntly told attorneys Thursday that she believes he is innocent and that Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot, was a troubled young man looking for a fight.
"I know his family loved him," said the woman. "He probably just started going with the wrong crowd. They probably didn't know about it."


She then gave a recitation of some of the most reputation-damaging things found on Trayvon's cellphone: a photo of a semiautomatic handgun; one of growing marijuana plants; a text he sent, describing a fight in which he took part.
"He was learning to become a street fighter," the woman said, and the night he was shot, "it seems to me that he's looking for someone to fight ... I think George was just trying to protect his neighborhood."
Trayvon's parents were sitting across the courtroom about 40 feet away. They left the courthouse at the end of the day without commenting.

There is little chance the woman, publicly identified only as E-81, will be on the final jury panel. But her candor Thursday was startling after three days of other prospective jurors gingerly answering questions, often equivocating, almost never saying an unkind word about the Miami Gardens 17-year-old.
Zimmerman alleges that Trayvon attacked him, knocking him to the ground with a punch that broke his nose, then climbed on top and began slamming Zimmerman's head against a sidewalk.
Prosecutors charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder, saying he profiled the unarmed high-school junior, followed and murdered him.
Day 5 of jury selection is to resume Friday at 9 a.m.
So far, 85 prospective jurors have been dismissed; at least 24 have survived the first round of questions, which have dealt solely with pretrial publicity. Attorneys in the case want a pool of 40 before they move on to a broader round of questioning.
The final panel will be made up of six jurors and four alternates.
The biggest development in the case Thursday was an announcement by Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson that she will sequester the jury once one has been picked. That came as no surprise. Attorneys for both sides have been warning prospective jurors all week that that might be the case.
Once panel members are sworn in, they won't be allowed to go home, and their contact with the outside world will be very limited.
"Would I have Internet access so I could do my quizzes online?" asked prospective juror K-95, a middle-aged woman who's taking college courses and described herself as "an IT geek" who gets 500 to 600 emails a day.
She did not get a clear answer.
Attorneys questioned 10 jurors in court Thursday. One of the trial's most emotional moments came in midafternoon when prospective juror N-18, a native of Puerto Rico, tried to explain in halting English the stress he's felt all week.http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...jury-selection

THE zimmerman MURDER TRIAL BEGINS

George Zimmerman Trial: Possible Testimony From Voice Recognition Expert Challenged

SANFORD, Fla. -- Former neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman is questioning the expected use of a voice recognition expert at his murder trial next month.

Zimmerman's attorney filed a motion made public Monday asking for a hearing to determine whether testimony from the expert would be allowed.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year in a gated community in Sanford during a struggle. Zimmerman is pleading not guilty.

Neighbors called 911 during the struggle and cries of help can be heard on the calls. Martin's family claims the voice is that of the South Florida teen.

Zimmerman's father has said in court he believes the cries are from his son.

Zimmerman's attorney says jurors could be confused by a voice expert's testimony.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...trayvon-martin

[natina]

Zimmerman Juror Escorted Out, Prohibited From Returning​​

http://www.newsoxy.com/world/zimmerm...-4-130981.html

[natina]

George Zimmerman trial's key question: Will he testify?

The jury has been seated, the witnesses lined up and the exhibits gathered, but the trial of George Zimmerman begins Monday with an unanswered question: Will he testify?
Lawyers are set to deliver opening statements with clashing accounts of why Zimmerman, 29, shot unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, 17, on a rainy February 2012 night in Sanford, Fla., sparking widespread protest and national debate that touched on race, guns and self-defense.
Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch volunteer who has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder, says he pulled the trigger in self-defense after Martin attacked him — and legal experts say it’s common in self-defense cases for the defendant to take the stand.

But as jury selection ended last week — with six women picked to decide Zimmerman’s fate — defense attorney Mark O’Mara said he doesn’t know yet whether his client will take the oath and tell his side of the story.
“That is a dynamic decision that has to be made within the context of a trial,” O’Mara said.
“This case will fall on the fact that the state will not be able to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt with their evidence that a crime was committed by my client.”
Legal analyst Kendall Coffey, who is following the proceedings closely, said O’Mara and his co-counsel

Don West, are unlikely to decide whether to call Zimmerman until the prosecution has rested.
"In self-defense cases, the defendant generally takes the stand. It’s hard to establish self-defense without the defendant explaining why they killed someone,” he said.
Yet, having Zimmerman testify carries risks.
Coffey said it’s unclear, given his limited public exposure, if he would be a good witness. In addition, getting on the stand would allow prosecutors to “drill down” on any possible inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s statements and bring in potentially unflattering details from his past that might otherwise be off limits, Coffey said.

“If I’m Mark O’Mara, I’m working it every way I can to keep George Zimmerman off the stand,” Coffey said.
In lieu of Zimmerman’s testimony, the defense can try to establish self-defense through statements he gave to police, which the prosecutors are likely to introduce, and through any witnesses who saw or heard the confrontation.
“They can also put on the medical evidence,” Coffey said, referring to photos and medical reports about injuries to Zimmerman’s face and head.
“It may well be that those thousand words a picture is worth are better than a thousand words from George Zimmerman’s mouth.
“But it’s going to be a game-time decision.”
The case has been in pregame mode for most of June with jury selection and pre-trial hearings. The defense won a ruling over the weekend when Judge Debra Nelson ruled that experts cannot testify about who can be heard screaming on a 911 call from the night of the shooting.
Pool / Getty Images
Judge Debra Nelson will preside over the trial, which is expected to last up to four weeks.


A potential prosecution witness had testified in a report that using voice-recognition technology, he was able to discern Martin saying, “I’m begging you.” Defense experts disagreed and said the methodology was unreliable, and the judge agreed.
The jury can still hear the 911 call, and other witnesses – such as family or friends of Zimmerman and Martin -- can testify about it.
Before any evidence is presented, both sides will present their opening statements, starting with the prosecution.
The defense announced Sunday that West, not O’Mara, will deliver its opening. The statements could take up most or all of the first day of the trial, which is expected to last up to four weeks.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...id=msnhp&pos=1

[natina]

note!: the trial is underway

Zimmerman trial judge bars expert testimony on 911 call recording


The judge in George Zimmerman's second degree murder trial has decided to bar expert testimony about a 911 call that captured screaming before Trayvon Martin's February 2012 shooting death.

In a written order filed to county court this morning, Judge Debra Nelson called methodologies used by forensic voice analysts seeking to determine who is screaming during the call "not reliable."

However, Nelson said the recording itself can be played at trial -- and left the door open for family and others who knew Zimmerman or Martin to testify about it.

"This order does not prevent the parties from playing the tapes at trial or from calling witnesses familiar with the voice of the Defendant or Martin to testify regarding the identity of the person(s) making the scream," Nelson says.

The decision follows days of testimony from prosecution and defense experts.

Two state experts, forensic voice analysts Tom Owen and Alan Reich, said it was not Zimmerman screaming on the tape. Reich also said he could discern Martin speaking, claiming he could hear the 17-year-old say "stop" and "I'm begging you" in the moments before he was shot.

But three defense experts testified that the recording was of insufficient length and quality to make a determination, and attacked the research methods used by the state's experts.

In her ruling today, Judge Nelson said there is "no competent evidence that the scientific techniques used by Dr. Owen and Dr. Reich are generally accepted in the scientific field."

That standard -- evidence that the techniques are generally accepted in the field -- was the basis for the so-called Frye Hearing on the science behind voice analysis.

Zimmerman's lawyers had asked for the hearing, seeking to bar Owen and Reich's testimony.

Reached by phone this morning, George Zimmerman's lead attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he was happy with the decision.

"I thought when I took the case, we'd have the ability to decipher who was who," O'Mara said of the call. But, he said, he grew to think science couldn't determine the question.

Opening statements in Zimmerman's trial begin Monday.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...call-recording

[yodajazz]

Looks like the jury will be able to hear prior calls Zimmerman made. That will be important evidence as to his state of mind in going out that night. The prosecution does need to prove a "depraved state of mind" in its case. Looks like the judge may not allow evidence of Martin's marijuana use. I wonder whether or not, Zimmerman's medications will be part of the trial. Lastly, I have never seen any maps showing where Zimmerman's vehicle was. I think that the prosecution will able to establish that he was pursuing Martin. I still believe that it was reasonable that Martin felt fear in being followed at night, especially by someone of a different race.