Boston Marathon

[trish]

Bullshit. Don't swallow the NRA Kool Aid. They were partisan politicians with a wide ranging set of conflicting views.

[sweetts18]

Please quote ONE framer of the constitution that was against private firearms ownership...

[Jericho]

I understand the point you were trying to make, Jericho, however you and almost anyone else that chooses to argue against private firearms ownership always picks the same stereotypical ugly, frightening, black firearm for their argument.

Would you have been happier if I'd tinted it pink?

Oh, and by the way, I'm not against private firearms ownership (but, understandable assumption).

Americans are NOT a bunch of tobacco chewing crazy hicks with automatic weapons and flame throwers in the closet or behind the door in the event of a home invasion or just because we want to have a good time.

Add most to the beginning of that statement and I'd agree with you.
Sadly...

[sweetts18]

I read that, Trish.

[trish]

And I withdrew it. Name a framer who at the time supported armed insurrection the United States of America

[sweetts18]

And yes, Jericho, a pink mp-5 would be amazing! lmao ...you get my point. Average people don't have them here, but it's not as shocking an image as say, a bolt action rifle. ...and yes, there are SOME stereotypes here in the states, but don't judge an entire people on a few samples.

[nysprod]

And that... is bullshit. pure and simple. ...The entire bill of rights was written by people who had just fought a long, drawn out, bloody war for independence from tyranny. The amendment was written to ensure that the people of this nation would have the means to resist should the government get "too big for its britches" and start trampling on the rights of the citizens.

See, that's where you and a lot of people go utterly wrong...the 2nd amendment was put there so that it would be legal to have an armed militia to defend against an invasion by a foreign power, and not so that people could "defend" themselves against a U.S. government which had gotten "too big."

If you think I'm wrong, try announcing the U.S. government is too big and that you're going to take up arms against it. See what happens.

[sweetts18]

They didn't! ...because they had just started a new nation. ...but they recognized that people with power tend to abuse it... if you read the Washington quote, its obvious that he meant for firearms to be a safeguard against ANY threat to freedom and liberty.

[sweetts18]

I urge all of you to research further... the founding fathers clearly meant it as a means of defense against any and ALL threats to the people of the nation. "when the people fear the government, there is tyranny. when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

[trish]

They didn't! ...because they had just started a new nation. ...but they recognized that people with power tend to abuse it... if you read the Washington quote, its obvious that he meant for firearms to be a safeguard against ANY threat to freedom and liberty.

Doesn't matter what the framers meant; if you hitch the Second Amendment to that wagon you render it irrelevant. No armed populace is a match for the U.S. military.