17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[tragicomedy]

that CALLS FOR WILD SPECULATION.



civil cases have a lower burden of proof and are much easier to get a monetary conviction.

That's why I said I don't know if they'll accept his self defence claim. As it stands he may not have encountered this young person if he had not attempted to leave his truck in order to see the street sign.


Though it will be hard to call it wrongful death if it is shown that he was being attacked.

The only witness saying that she/he heard Zimmerman initiate contact has now been shown to be a liar.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,129597.story
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...nse-shift.html

[natina]

BUT ZIMMERMAN IS A LIAR


George Zimmerman Will Not Tell The Truth




George Zimmerman has no interest in expressing fidelity to His Honor, the Court, or the public. When Zimmerman took the witness stand at his 20 April 2012 bond hearing, he lied under oath in two forms: acts of omission and blatant falsehoods.


Zimmerman took the stand to make a self-serving statement in the cloak of an apology, but the message’s audience was for the media and a candid public, not the parents of the slain Trayvon Martin. It should be noted that O’Mara allowed this disrespectful action to be undertaken and His Honor did not stop it, either.

The faux apology given to turn the tide of negative media attention:
O'MARA: You advised me that you wanted to make a short statement, is that correct?
ZIMMERMAN: Correct.
ZIMMERMAN: I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. And I did not know if he was armed or not.
O'MARA: Nothing further, your honor.

George Zimmerman took the stand and performed for the media. The narrative was starting to change and the fickle media started pretending as if both the dead, unarmed minor, Trayvon Martin, and his confessed killer, George Zimmerman, were victims. This is absolutely incorrect. Man profiled, stalked, chased, and ultimately killed the minor. Those are the facts. Furthermore, Zimmerman lied on the stand about how old he thought Trayvon Martin was. When the non-emergency dispatcher asked how old Zimmerman thought the supposedly “suspicious guy” was, Zimmerman said “late teens.” 17 would classify as late teens. Let’s let that percolate into our collective conscience for a moment. A 28-year-old adult male tells the dispatcher that he believes a minor is indeed a minor and he stills exits his vehicle, with gun holstered, to chase after the “fucking punk” who would not get away. I can’t speak for Angela B. Corey, but when I heard this, I thought for sure any doubt about her over-charging Zimmerman went away.

State’s Attorney asking what took so long for the faux apology:
DE LA RIONDA: I'm sorry, sir, you're not really addressing that to the court. You're doing it here to the victim's family, is that correct?
ZIMMERMAN: They are here in the court, yes.
DE LA RIONDA: I understand. But I thought you were going to address Your Honor, Judge Lester, not -- so that's really addressed to the family and where the media happens to be, correct, Mr. Zimmerman?
ZIMMERMAN: No, to the mother and the father.
DE LA RIONDA: Ok. And tell me, after you committed this crime and you spoke to the police, did you ever make that statement to the police, sir? That you were sorry for what you've done or their loss?
ZIMMERMAN: No sir.
DE LA RIONDA: You never stated that, did you?
ZIMMERMAN: I don't remember what I said. I believe I did say that.
DE LA RIONDA: You told that to the police?
ZIMMERMAN: In one of the statements, I said that I felt sorry for the family.
DE LA RIONDA: You did?
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: So that would be recorded because all those conversations were recorded, right?
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: And you're sure you said that?
ZIMMERMAN: I'm fairly certain.
DE LA RIONDA: And so which officer did you tell that to? You made five statements I believe, total.
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir, I'm sorry, all the names run together.
DE LA RIONDA: And do you remember if it was a male or a female?
ZIMMERMAN: There were both males and females.
DE LA RIONDA: At the time you made that statement that you were sorry?
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: And let me make sure the record's clear, you stated exactly what to those detectives?
ZIMMERMAN: I don't remember exactly what -- verbatim.
DE LA RIONDA: But you're saying you expressed concern for the loss of Mr. Martin, or that you had shot Mr. Martin, that you actually felt sorry for him?
ZIMMERMAN: I felt sorry that they lost their child, yes.
DE LA RIONDA: And so you told detectives that you wanted them to convey that to the parents?
ZIMMERMAN: I don't know if they were detectives or not.
DE LA RIONDA: Officers, I apologize.
ZIMMERMAN: I didn't know if they were going to convey it or not. I just made the statement.
DE LA RIONDA: Ok. And then you said that you called them or you left a message for them to tell them that?
ZIMMERMAN: No, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: Why did you wait 50 something days to tell them -- that is, the parents?
ZIMMERMAN: I don't understand the question, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: Why did you wait so long to tell Mr. Martin and the victim's mother, the father and mother, why did you wait so long to tell them?
ZIMMERMAN: I was told not to communicate with them.
DE LA RIONDA: Ok. So even through your attorney, you didn't ask to do it right away? Your former attorneys or anything.
ZIMMERMAN: I did ask them to express that to them. And they said that they were going to.

Zimmerman isn’t a very good liar, or at least he isn’t a believable one. When De La Rionda asked if he expressed the same sentiment to the police that he was expressing 50+ days later in His Honor’s Court, he said, “no.” Then he says he did express the sentiment. When De La Rionda asked who he told that too, he resorts back to the tried and the true, “I don’t know/I can’t remember” line that he used when he was questioned by Serino. I’ll get to that in a moment. I’m sure it’s not going to come as a surprise, but I’ve listened to everything that was released by George Zimmerman Legal Case, and I can tell you all that he never expressed remorse, contrition, or anything resembling sorrow for killing an unarmed minor. Before the stress test, he does ask a female police officer if she slept well, and he does ask her if she has “ever had to kill anybody,” as if trying to draw some parallels between the murder of Trayvon Martin and her job as a trained law enforcement agent. She seemed a bit perplexed/annoyed to me and answered “no/nope.” Real law enforcement agents are trained to use deadly force as a last resort, not a first option. So this is lie #2 given by George Zimmerman at his 20 April 2012 bond hearing.

George Zimmerman perjuring himself under oath about what was said to Serino/others:
DE LA RIONDA: But before you committed this crime on February 26th, you were arrested -- I'm sorry, not arrested. You were questioned that day, right, February 26th?
ZIMMERMAN: That evening into the 27th.
DE LA RIONDA: And then the following morning. Is that correct?
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: And the following evening, too. ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: Ok. Would it be fair to say you were questioned about four or five times?
ZIMMERMAN: I remember giving three statements, yes sir.
DE LA RIONDA: And isn't it true that in some of those statement when you were confronted about your inconsistencies, you started "I don't remember"?
O'MARA: Outside the scope of direct examination. I will object your honor.
JUDGE LESTER: We'll give you a little bit of leeway. Not a whole lot but a little bit here, ok.
DE LA RIONDA: Isn't it true that when you were questioned about the contradictions in your statements that the police didn't believe it, that you would say "I don't remember"?
JUDGE LESTER: I'm going to grant his motion at this time.
O'MARA: Thank you, your honor.
DE LA RIONDA: Would you agree you changed your story as it went along?
ZIMMERMAN: Absolutely not.

Zimmerman’s most egregious lie is above. De La Rionda asked Zimmerman about how many statements he gave. Zimmerman replies. De La Rionda asked Zimmerman if he said “I don’t remember?” when Serino/Singleton poked holes in his account of what happened, using the non-emergency phone call to do so, and Zimmerman replied matter-of-factly, “Absolutely not.” Folks, that is the third lie to His Honor’s Court. George Zimmerman Legal Case has the audio still up. It is up for anyone who wants to listen to it. Make no mistake, when asked about things that didn’t add up, Zimmerman would say “I don’t know/I don’t remember.” When it was clear that Serino/Singleton were playing bad cop or no longer believed him, Zimmerman got defensive, lied, and omitted facts. He told the dispatcher he was following Trayvon. On the February 29, 2012, part 3 of the interview with Serino/Singleton; he said he wasn’t following, but walking in the same direction. When asked what type of running Trayvon was doing, he said he couldn’t remember/didn’t know. When asked why he got out of his car, Singleton bluntly said, “That isn’t what you told me.”


George Zimmerman is going to assert an affirmative defense in his second-degree murder trial. If Zimmerman has no interest in expressing fidelity to the truth in His Honor’s Court, I wouldn’t be making any long term plans for the future unless they included a prison facility
important read more;
http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html
http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html
http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html
http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html

[yourdaddy]

You can't trust thugs or their people to tell the damn truth. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/06...est=latestnews

[robertlouis]

I'm amazed that this thread remains in the general discussion slot rather than moving over to politics where it so obviously belongs. Mods?

[giovanni_hotel]

You can't trust thugs or their people to tell the damn truth. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/06...est=latestnews

Doesn't matter. Phone records confirm she was on the phone with Trayvon when he was being followed that night and before the altercation with Zimmerman.

Her lying about being sick in the hospital and unable to attend Martin's funeral is problematic , but I'm sure the prosecution will explain it away that she was scared to be seen in public.

[jefferson82]

Robertlouis, sir, you are correct!!!!

[Willie Escalade]

I'm amazed that this thread remains in the general discussion slot rather than moving over to politics where it so obviously belongs. Mods?

I think Seanchai wanted to leave it here...especially since he's the OP...

[doctor screw]

I love how people on this board mock a murder victim.......but are enraged on the Eva Lin attack thread

WOW

I guess they're pieces of shit everywhere,even the LGBT community

[Willie Escalade]

I see the thread was moved...and since far less folks come to this section, this thread most likely will fall into obscurity.

[yodajazz]

First of all Peruvians aren't European. Peru isn't even in Europe, for pete's sake and they AREN'T white. They may have white in them but so do a lot of black people in the United States. The problem arises when you try to justify racism against white people because it's becoming accepted as the norm, which is a load of crap. The fact is the guy didn't look white, it was a tactic to enrage people even further at the prospects of a "white" man killing a "black" kid.

How is this racism against Whites, when you a dead Black teenager with no criminal record, and the person who admits to killing him gives inconsistent explanations? Ah, poor White/Hispanic folks. They have to go on trial for killing someone. What's this country coming to, when you cant just assume that every Black, person is a blood thirsty killer? This racism against White people has just got to stop!

But seriously, when I was a young man, I used to enjoy driving through affluent neighborhoods, looking at the nice houses, and dreaming of having a good life. I didnt know that Black people, only look at nice things, so they can figure out how to steal things. This is the basic assumption of Zimmerman, no matter what his heritage. If Zimmerman was Martian, and killed someone without adequete reason, it would still be the same. They have a justice system to determine the truth. Clothing makers made something called a hoodie. But Black people, only wear them to commit crimes, even if it is raining. All other races, wear them for innocent reasons, I guess. Dentists invented gold teeth. But Black people only have gold teeth, if they plan on pursing a criminal career. But I'm a little off topic. Ah, poor White people. Some people remember the 50th anniversary of four girls killed in a church bombing coming up this year. But it really was an accident, as the bomb was meant to kill adults meeting, later to campaign for equal rights. Ah poor White people! They may just have to grant the ideal of the US Constitution to everyone; Life, and Liberty. What's this nation coming to?