Male student gang raped by muslim youth

[Prospero]

Tragicomedy - no i was not wrong. Your sources were massively flawed ones. Like your views. Many others here have taken you to task for your views. I am sorry to see you've slitered back from whatever stone you hide under.

And reactionary?. What an absurd word for a Muslim hating racist like you to use.

I am perfectly happy to debate, but not with a obvious racist like you. In the UK most parties of right and left refuse to share a platform with the British National Party and, before that, the National Front - organisations with, at heart, a racist agenda.. The views of these parties and yours are congruent. Yes i deleted my reactions to your stupidity because i knew it would bring forth a torrent of bile from you. As it has.

This is what I wrote a few weeks ago and I stand by it: "tragicomedy... so freedom of speech means the freedom to vilify whole groups in the way you do? Hatespeech is good speech is it? Why in every response to the person from Turkey do you feel it necessary to refer to the Armenian genocide as if that is the only thing you know about Turkey? While you're at it why not start banging on about the Ottoman empire? Janissaries and the like? Or perhaps you'd like to refer to the glorious and civilising influence of the Ottoman's at their zenith? To the great Mosque architects like Sinan?

As I see it your vilification of Muslims is emblematic of an obsessive fear transmuting into hatred of islam. Get some education about the religion and then you might be able to make some intelligent contributions to the discussion.

As others have noted even if the attackers WERE Muslim, what does that prove? Do we identity other rapists as Christians or atheists or Hindu or whatever? Do burglars who happen to be Muslim get labelled as such? I don't think so. You jumped into this to support the labelling of these people Muslim because it plays to a false stereotype pedalled by haters - in whose number you are clearly included."

[Stavros]

This thread was flogged to death at the time; bury it.

[Prospero]

I agree Stavros.

[tragicomedy]

Dunno, but petriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

What's a petriot?

I'm glad someone understood it.

[tragicomedy]

Tragicomedy - no i was not wrong. Your sources were massively flawed ones. Like your views. Many others here have taken you to task for your views. I am sorry to see you've slitered back from whatever stone you hide under.

And reactionary?. What an absurd word for a Muslim hating racist like you to use.

I am perfectly happy to debate, but not with a obvious racist like you. In the UK most parties of right and left refuse to share a platform with the British National Party and, before that, the National Front - organisations with, at heart, a racist agenda.. The views of these parties and yours are congruent. Yes i deleted my reactions to your stupidity because i knew it would bring forth a torrent of bile from you. As it has.

This is what I wrote a few weeks ago and I stand by it: "tragicomedy... so freedom of speech means the freedom to vilify whole groups in the way you do? Hatespeech is good speech is it? Why in every response to the person from Turkey do you feel it necessary to refer to the Armenian genocide as if that is the only thing you know about Turkey? While you're at it why not start banging on about the Ottoman empire? Janissaries and the like? Or perhaps you'd like to refer to the glorious and civilising influence of the Ottoman's at their zenith? To the great Mosque architects like Sinan?

As I see it your vilification of Muslims is emblematic of an obsessive fear transmuting into hatred of islam. Get some education about the religion and then you might be able to make some intelligent contributions to the discussion.

As others have noted even if the attackers WERE Muslim, what does that prove? Do we identity other rapists as Christians or atheists or Hindu or whatever? Do burglars who happen to be Muslim get labelled as such? I don't think so. You jumped into this to support the labelling of these people Muslim because it plays to a false stereotype pedalled by haters - in whose number you are clearly included."

NOW you back track and say you weren't wrong.


The truth doesn't matter to you does it? Is it all relative to you?

[trish]

Prospero never said he was wrong. He merely changed his mind about engaging you. Please refrain fron mischaracterising others and confine your attention to the issue.

[Prospero]

Thanks Trish. But, no... tragicomedy has got, amidst his tirades of racist filth, one thing right. I said the sites he quoted were like Der Sturmer. I later said that was not the case. He consistently relied on flawed and anti-Muslim sites however. And his posts were certainly worthy of that esteemed journal. His ludicrous and hateful remarks about Muslims reveal him to be a noxious and unrelenting racist. About that i was 100 per cent right. Now tragicomedy shut up and go back to the rank place you crawled out off. Your ignorance has no place here.

[hippifried]

I'm glad someone understood it.

I understood it.

[fivekatz]

I traveled much of Europe in 2003 and found the anti-Muslim sentiment almost jarring, mostly because I was naive more than as an American I had some illusion that this type of hatred existed. My country has a long and bitter history of find what separates us as human beings rather than what brings us together as human beings.

The politics of fundamentalism cloud issues, most notably in the case a Islam in recent times. But the fundamentalists in Israel who persecute Palestinians or the Christians who have over history engaged in poor behavior based on the object of their hatreds race, sexual orientation or religious beliefs are wrong in doing so and have lost touch with the core of their religions actual teachings.

Whether this crime was motivated by Islamic sentiment, homophobia and bizarre behavior is not the exclusive property of those followers.

The issue will continue to man's inhumanity to man for the most simple minded reasons when we look back at those reasons but at the moment in the mind of the inflictors of hate, their reasons seemed clear and had divine backing.

[broncofan]

NOW you back track and say you weren't wrong.


The truth doesn't matter to you does it? Is it all relative to you?

Tragicomedy's tactic it is to let someone write three or four paragraphs of thoughtful prose and then respond with two or three sentences to keep his thread alive. Then claim he has not been proven wrong, that others are reactionaries or multi-culturalists who will not accept the real truth which he does nothing to establish. This is a way to keep a debate alive forever and claim he gave as good as he got.

The thread is ugly but it serves one useful function; as a monument to one man's racism, stupidity, and resistance to reason. Surely it's a warning to anyone who would interact with him on cordial terms elsewhere. We could rename it, the scarlet letter;.