How do you feel about tips in restaurants?

[Prospero]

Well I live in a more genteel neighbourhood than "the corner booth at titty twister."

[RallyCola]

I'm normally nice to people. Dude, you're an asshole. A person's social status does not mean they made mistakes in their lives. In America, your social class determines the quality of your education. In America, your race determines your pay.

There are many college graduates who are working at these low wage jobs because these jobs are their only option. Is that their fault? NO. You can't make a "job creator" hire you.

People need to stop blaming the poor for being poor. People need to look at our social structures because our culture, government, structure, and society are the problems.

lol...the fucking race card. you are just a walking cliche aren't you.

1st off...i am an asshole and an elitist. i did not come from money but will never begrudge anyone what they have. anyone at any time can make the best of a situation.

there is one huge fallacy about a college degree, i will admit. just getting one doesn't mean you are qualified for anything. doing well, networking, getting an advanced degree...these are keys to success...not just getting your degree.

please stop blaming anyone but yourself for your short comings and stop having a chip on your shoulder. if you are not receiving waiver services, its all up to you, and only you to make them most of your potential.

[RallyCola]

for the record, i am NOT saying that a rich white straight man doesn't have a ludicrous advantage over a black lesbian midget born into an impoverished family but this society offers that woman the best chance of changing her situation among anything globally.

you cannot fault anyone for what they are born into...you can only fault someone for what they do with what they have.

let us be clear on one thing as well...i respect only educated people. when i say i am an elitist, it pertains to intellect and skill. i don't care about how much money you have because it is meaningless. i didn't go to the ivy league...i went to rutgers and new jersey medical school. i still have a better h-index than my cohorts and am a fellow at columbia. that's the son of doorman and bank teller who doesn't knew i would never be pigeonholed by my parent's race and social status

[TSPornFan]

[quote=RallyCola;1272253]lol...the fucking race card. you are just a walking cliche aren't you.
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You're very ignorant. I doubt you have an education. It is commonly known that minorities are paid less than whites because of their race. Minorities have less opportunities than whites.

for the record, i am NOT saying that a rich white straight man doesn't have a ludicrous advantage over a black lesbian midget born into an impoverished family but this society offers that woman the best chance of changing her situation among anything globally.

you cannot fault anyone for what they are born into...you can only fault someone for what they do with what they have.

let us be clear on one thing as well...i respect only educated people. when i say i am an elitist, it pertains to intellect and skill. i don't care about how much money you have because it is meaningless. i didn't go to the ivy league...i went to rutgers and new jersey medical school. i still have a better h-index than my cohorts and am a fellow at columbia. that's the son of doorman and bank teller who doesn't knew i would never be pigeonholed by my parent's race and social status

That is what you're saying.

This society doesn't offer women the best chance of changing their situation. This society makes life worse on women. They are paid less than men. The police rarely gives a damn about women when they are rape. Most single women work minimal wage jobs. Most men do not pay child support. No, life in America is worse for women then it is for me.

[Jericho]

Well I live in a more genteel neighbourhood than "the corner booth at titty twister."

Don't start that shite with me, you overpadded southern softie!

But seriously, no, it's a Royal Mail thing, posties aren't allowed to accept tips.
But obviously, if you're not telling anyone, they're not going to.

Tho as for the binmen...fuck 'em!

[RallyCola]

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lol...the fucking race card. you are just a walking cliche aren't you.
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You're very ignorant. I doubt you have an education. It is commonly known that minorities are paid less than whites because of their race. Minorities have less opportunities than whites.



That is what you're saying.

This society doesn't offer women the best chance of changing their situation. This society makes life worse on women. They are paid less than men. The police rarely gives a damn about women when they are rape. Most single women work minimal wage jobs. Most men do not pay child support. No, life in America is worse for women then it is for me.

i'm not disputing that minorities are paid less. i'm saying i don't care. if a white guy in my department is making more than me, its unfair and illegal, but it's not his fault for accepting what he is offered. you are comparing apples to apples there...2 people of "equal" qualifications, test scores, whatever.

you however are going overboard by comparing someone who is a waiter to someone that is a garbage man to someone what is an accountant. they are all quit different and have varying social value. garbage men are necessary because we would have trash built up around us or lines at the dump if we had to go there individually. Accountants and waitresses are needless jobs and easily replaceable. Neither is integral to your daily life as you can go to a buffet and serve yourself or eat at home, or you can do your own taxes. The difference is that the accountant may deserve more respect for his achievements and abilities.

Here is how you can determine how important any person is in your life, and therefore determine the amount of respect they deserve for the position they occupy: how easy can you train their replacement? using that judgement allows me to not give 2 shits about a person's race or social status because that's an apples to apples comparison.

[Dino Velvet]

I wish my mailman and garbage man switched jobs. Everything would be delivered and taken away much better.

[RallyCola]

I wish my mailman and garbage man switched jobs. Everything would be delivered and taken away much better.

lol...that might in fact be true. good call.

[amberskyi]

i subscribe to the theory that employers pay you just enough money so you don't quit. if your incentive in the service industry is to exceed a customer's expectations because your pay is dependent on it, you may be more motivated to go a good job. waitresses, devoid of the need for a tip, would be inclined to offer little more customer service than the check out girl at mcdonalds.

amber...as a person who provides a service to others and may likely be tipped...i can't see why you don't see how this is a much better alternative to paying higher wages and negating tips all together. the best waitresses at the finest restaurants can pull in a ridiculous amt tax free

it is no different than a real estate broker or car salesman...pay is dependent on performance. it's the way it should be. his point is stupid. a tip is nothing more than "commission pay" over base

im not going to compare my situation to that of an waitress.while i may get tipped i dont depend on tips to eat and im sure as hell not making 3 bucks an hour.
i think tipping in restaurants is mandatory because i know what these waiters are making.i have a flat rate i tip if the service is mediocre and i may tip more is service was excellent.ive rarely never tipped and the only times that has happened was because the service was beyond horrible.

[RallyCola]

im not going to compare my situation to that of an waitress.while i may get tipped i dont depend on tips to eat and im sure as hell not making 3 bucks an hour.
i think tipping in restaurants is mandatory because i know what these waiters are making.i have a flat rate i tip if the service is mediocre and i may tip more is service was excellent.ive rarely never tipped and the only times that has happened was because the service was beyond horrible.

tipping is never mandatory though...it is voluntary and customary but nevertheless, you should never feel as if you MUST tip a certain amount.

i don't really care about the base pay of a particular person. they will be given a tip commensurate with their level of service and how much I value their contribution to my experience.

if base pay was what was important, then that person shouldn't be a waitress. they are working for tips, not that little hourly check. they knew the job when they took it.

i dated a girl in undergrad that worked with kids with autism. daily, she was hit, had feces smeared on her, etc and she did this as a direct care worker for $10 a hour. where was her tip? she was a caregiver for people who put there kids in group homes because they didn't want to take care of them. how many of you would wipe the ass of some disabled kid spitting on you for $10 a hour to put food on the table or buy textbooks. so please, spare me about the poor waitress who can earn money tax free.