X-critic also against Transsexuals

[loveboof]

We almost never use lifestyle TV's

That means that sometimes you do, so part of what Franklin is concerned about is a valid.

Whether the girls are hot enough is subjective because everyone has different tastes, but the video inspiration & quality is another valid point to make. Of course he is stating his opinion, but he should be free to make it without the whole groobiverse jumping on his back. (Or without his comments being deleted for no apparent reason other than thin skin and sensitive nerves)

@ Krissy, you're being similarly evasive/obtuse by focusing so much energy on the specific definitions. You know full well that it is a grey area to define, but by hammering down on the others for an air-tight explanation is just deflecting their main points. Why don't you attempt to practice some of that 'comprehension' you are so pining for and actually work out the real meat of what it is they are trying to say...

[GroobySteven]

Whereas, Grooby does light editing and goes for more the natural look and a more amateur look. Which many consumers prefer that over the highly edited photos, and others prefer the Playboyesque style.

I'm just saying everyone knows Grooby shoots more natural and Shemaleclub shoots more Playboyesque and puts filters on everything.

Actually I'll pick you up on that, as it's a misnomer. We actually edit photosets "by hand" which means our editors go through each set and adjust the filters/balances to compensate for any lighting issues when they can and then lightly remove some blemishes. For Yum/BlackTgirls and the Asian sites we aim for a realistic look. For Shemale.XXX and Shemale Pornstar we give it a glossier look while still trying to maintain skin tones and such.
I believe some other sites that you've mentioned, tend to use a standardised filter across all their sets, without hand retouching each image. This is a cheaper and easier way to do it and gives a very glossy appearance but also has drawbacks in losing skintone and often losing how a model looks (didn't you lose a bellybutton in a photoedit once Kelly?). My personal choice is the way we do (which is why we do it like that) but I understand others are happier with the over-glossed look (and certainly some of the girls are). In summary, we spend more time on each set than most companies.

[GroobySteven]

That means that sometimes you do, so part of what Franklin is concerned about is a valid.

Whether the girls are hot enough is subjective because everyone has different tastes, but the video inspiration & quality is another valid point to make. Of course he is stating his opinion, but he should be free to make it without the whole groobiverse jumping on his back. (Or without his comments being deleted for no apparent reason other than thin skin and sensitive nerves)

I've never said otherwise (although I didn't find one in 300+ sets in 2012). Certainly in a lot of girls early in transition, it's difficult to chose.
What Franklin is saying is invalid as he believes "shemale" means "transsexuals". It doesn't.

I'm happy for him to state his opinion but refuse to agree that his opinion speaks for every porn surfer interested in TS's. He's been proven wrong many many times and needs to appreciate that his opinion is just that, unique to him.

[loveboof]

I've never said otherwise (although I didn't find one in 300+ sets in 2012). Certainly in a lot of girls early in transition, it's difficult to chose.
What Franklin is saying is invalid as he believes "shemale" means "transsexuals". It doesn't.

I'm happy for him to state his opinion but refuse to agree that his opinion speaks for every porn surfer interested in TS's. He's been proven wrong many many times and needs to appreciate that his opinion is just that, unique to him.

Fair enough. You are right that he doesn't speak for all porn consumers; he speaks for himself. But imo, one voice should still be good enough to be taken seriously.

I don't think the term 'shemale' includes transvestites - but seeing as it is mostly a porn term it probably doesn't matter that much...

[amberskyi]

I personally don't think that shemale should mean trans woman either.it implies that we're some weird hybrid freak thing and puts an emphasis on masculinity ie.the male part of the word.
It's as offensive as calling someone a he-she

[GroobySteven]

Fair enough. You are right that he doesn't speak for all porn consumers; he speaks for himself. But imo, one voice should still be good enough to be taken seriously.

I don't think the term 'shemale' includes transvestites - but seeing as it is mostly a porn term it probably doesn't matter that much...

Each voice has an opinion. I know what Franklin likes and some of our sites cater more towards consumers who have similar if not exact tastes. As I've stated my issue isn't with his "one voice" but with him asserting totally incorrect facts about the industry and having a fantasy that he speaks for all.

[LibertyHarkness]

Girls with solo sites dont always want to shoot on other sites that often simply as they dont want to dilute themselves and not bring sales to their own site ..

in the market of solo websites its much harder to get people to sign up than compared to multigirl sites ...so its in the models interest to focus their scenes on their own sites to drive members to them .. if they keep appearing on grooby/smc/strokers etc then what incentive is their for a fan to sign up to the solo site .......

[GroobySteven]

I personally don't think that shemale should mean trans woman either.it implies that we're some weird hybrid freak thing and puts an emphasis on masculinity ie.the male part of the word.
It's as offensive as calling someone a he-she

A topic for another day (and another thread) if you must. It's a porn "identifier" word. For better or worse, it's out there.

[amberskyi]

A topic for another day (and another thread) if you must. It's a porn "identifier" word. For better or worse, it's out there.

As an adult entertainer I've made my peace with the word when used in a porn context.i just think it's funny logic to think that shemale means ts woman.

[christianxxx]

This is now the 3rd forum that Franklin has managed to create a firestorm of controversy with his thick-headed opinions. lol - He already got kicked off/banned/harassed relentlessly on Brazzers & Naughty America.

1. Franklin - business/marketing majors are nowhere near the bottom of the list of unsuccessful majors - you are an idiot if you think that.

2. Franklin - you forget that the difference between TS and GG porn stars is that the top TS are escorts first and porn stars second. So shooting for companies and scenes isn't their first, second, or third priority. Kimber is a unique case that is a terrible example for you to use.

3. I think its a valid point to say that Shemale Yum is the flagship site of Grooby - and the success of it can be attributed to the "realness" of the models. The lack of glossy photos and lighting is by design. Buddy Wood is an extremely talented photographer. Also, when your goal is to bring your members as many and as wide a variety of TS girls as Shemale Yum does, well you are going to see a whole range of girls. Remember, the level of TS girls varies from one city or country to another. I think Steven said it himself - that Shemale XXX is specifically designed to contain glossier and a higher level of still and video. Steven has hung his hat on improving his network by constantly changing and adding new types, genres, and scenarios. More so than anyone else in the world.

4. Your assertion that Grooby somehow doesn't shoot the top girls is patently absurd. As someone who works for Grooby constantly, I can tell you that I have shot with Jane Marie, Heather Hung, Honey Fox, Adriana Lynn Rush, Hazel Tucker, Kitty Doll, Jordan Jay, Bambi Prescott, Morgan Bailey, Doll, Acadia Veneer, Naughty Nodia, Carmen Moore, Venus Lux, - I could continue but you get the point - and these are all in the past year much less 6 years. Grooby shoots every single girl that they can, as much as they can. Whether that's good enough for you is your own opinion, but I think 99 percent of the world would agree that it's sufficient.