Male student gang raped by muslim youth

[Prospero]

And yet you keep mentioning the genocide... every time... when no one else is. What relevance does this have in any way. And as for your references to stopping the "anti social behaviour" I don't see how deepening a smear here, derived from racist websites, about the disgusting behaviour of a couple of young men who may, coincidentally, be Muslim in any way helps anyone - except for affirming stupid prejudices. This is NOT a trait of the Muslim community. It's a trait of aggressive men - of any ethnicity. So stop your smears and you stupid posturing. Admit it. You are a bigot with ignorant prejudices.

[Prospero]

Great Britain/UK has a lot to answer for in the Middle East.

As does the US, France, Italy, Russia ......

[broncofan]

It's strange that someone who has accused an entire religious group of being predisposed to criminal behavior is offended by a few curse words. I also find it peculiar that he goes out of his way to mention how he will not mention the Armenian Genocide and thinks that this literalism will fool those of us here with common sense. You invoked the Armenian Genocide to stigmatize a country and did this probably for the effect it would have on a single Turkish poster.

As Prospero said, people of every background commit rape. You did not establish this rape was committed by Muslims based on ideology or upbringing nor did you establish Muslims are more likely to rape. You provided some links from dubious sources indicating the attackers may have been Muslim. Your conclusions are a symptom of inductive reasoning gone awry. You construct a general proposition from specific examples but make no attempt to establish actual figures or distinguish correlation from causation, things that actual statisticians would do given a body of data. You ignore that evidence which cuts in the opposite direction, emphasize that which supports your conclusions, and fail to even be explicit about your hypothesis. But then again, we expect too much from a racist when we ask for more than sentence fragments and a well-thought out argument.

[tragicomedy]

It's strange that someone who has accused an entire religious group of being predisposed to criminal behavior is offended by a few curse words. I also find it peculiar that he goes out of his way to mention how he will not mention the Armenian Genocide and thinks that this literalism will fool those of us here with common sense. You invoked the Armenian Genocide to stigmatize a country and did this probably for the effect it would have on a single Turkish poster.

As Prospero said, people of every background commit rape. You did not establish this rape was committed by Muslims based on ideology or upbringing nor did you establish Muslims are more likely to rape. You provided some links from dubious sources indicating the attackers may have been Muslim. Your conclusions are a symptom of inductive reasoning gone awry. You construct a general proposition from specific examples but make no attempt to establish actual figures or distinguish correlation from causation, things that actual statisticians would do given a body of data. You ignore that evidence which cuts in the opposite direction, emphasize that which supports your conclusions, and fail to even be explicit about your hypothesis. But then again, we expect too much from a racist when we ask for more than sentence fragments and a well-thought out argument.

What was so dubious about my sources?

[Prospero]

Your sources are the equivalent of quoting from Der Sturmer in the 1930s on the sins of the jews

[tragicomedy]

And yet you keep mentioning the genocide... every time... when no one else is. What relevance does this have in any way. And as for your references to stopping the "anti social behaviour" I don't see how deepening a smear here, derived from racist websites, about the disgusting behaviour of a couple of young men who may, coincidentally, be Muslim in any way helps anyone - except for affirming stupid prejudices. This is NOT a trait of the Muslim community. It's a trait of aggressive men - of any ethnicity. So stop your smears and you stupid posturing. Admit it. You are a bigot with ignorant prejudices.

Actually I am not constantly referring.to that event. I mentioned.it originally in one post to see who actually reads and who is merely a p.c. reactionary. What I have done is caught a few reactionaries flying off at the keyboard without reading. It is good to expose them now. Even then, we can all write frankly and listen to.those we disagree with. Now that I know the motives of everyone here I'll say that I do not think this deep seeded ned to dominate the "other" is unique to Muslims, it is a universal phenomenon in human history. Trying to deny the existence of such a phenomenon and keeping it out of the English language media is wrong.

[tragicomedy]

Your sources are the equivalent of quoting from Der Sturmer in the 1930s on the sins of the jews

Which sources are equivalent to Der Sturmer? I would like you to paste the link.

[Prospero]

the white supremacist blogs....

[tragicomedy]

the white supremacist blogs....

Link them. You asked me for specifics. Which White Supremacist blogs?

[thombergeron]

You are being a reactionary if you think I am vilifying them. Muslims in Europe are the key to stopping this anti-social behavior. How did.the U.S. Stop Klan.terrorism? Infiltration.and prosecution but also exposing and shaming. This tactic is essential to true mainstream social change. You think you are helping them but you are actually just enabling Muslim supremacists within their community.

Apologies to Prospero for reviving a deservedly dying thread, but by your logic, you would have to conclude that Christians in Europe are key to stopping white supremacist terrorists like Anders Breivik. To the best of my knowledge, no Muslims in Europe have gunned down 77 people, so clearly European chauvanistic violence is exclusively a problem for white Christians to solve.

More to the point, however, if I were to tell you that I, a non-Christian, was gangraped at 11 on a Boy Scout campout by 5 older boys who came from Mormon families, would you then conclude that Christianity is a brutal and primitive religion and that its adherents are motivated by a need to dominate "the other"?

The fundamental error that you are committing is to assume that any given culture or subculture has a monopoly on chaunvanism and violence. The offenders in the Belgian story may or may not be Muslim, but they are, quite obvioulsy, not the first teenagers to brutalize another child. Given that unassailable fact, your obsession with the role of Islam in this story reveals you as just another bigot.