Make Sure You Have Valid Photo ID!

[robertlouis]

Fifty years ago they beat blacks up to stop them from registering to vote. At least nowadays they've become a little more subtle. Yes, that IS sarcasm.

[bobvela]

More horseshyte.
1) We ain't talking about Mexico. It's not relevant to this discussion.

It was claimed here that voter fraud doesn't exist because there is no financial motive... I provided a case and a motive. QED.

2)So a Mexican claims he committed voter fraud in the US. Is he telling the truth? How? Did he have ID? Would asking for photo ID have made any difference?

So... you wish to demand more proof from a person claiming to have committed voter fraud than you wish to do from a person to avoid voter fraud... interesting.

"Hello Mr Person-Claiming-To-Be-A-Terrorist... we don’t quite believe you... please prove to us that that is actually a bomb you are carrying and you wish to do harm to us... don't mind those people who we are just letting bypass the metal detector... obviously they are not threats!

3)So some dumb rednecks are allegedly selling their votes? So they're using their own identities. How would asking for ID when voting have made a bit of difference?

I was unaware that anyone here (or elsewhere) was claiming that all voter fraud could be stopped if we simply asked everyone voting for ID... besides the point that fake IDs are not the most difficult thing to obtain... plenty of other avenues exist... which also must be more carefully watched... like absentee voting.

BTW, the '10 cases of voter fraud' refers to in-person vote fraud that could have been prevented by asking for ID at the polling place - voter fraud that could actually be prevented by the new ID laws. Go back and read the links trish posted.

And yet... that is not how she described them... which is why I used my speeding analogy... asking the Q of (like speeding) what % of actual violaters are caught.

None the less... it is good to see that you are joining Trish in willful ignorance... at least she's not alone in her delusions.

What's that? Just yesterday (Monday) another case of voter fraud has come to the surface?

Thats right! In Maryland, a congressional canidate has withdrawn from the race because it was discovered she wasn't just registered in two states (alas not an uncommon thing)... but actually voted in two different states during the same election... what do we call that? Thats right... VOTER FRAUD! ... that makes it... what? 2 additional cases I've been able to point two in two days? I wonder how many more there could be!?!?!

How more wrong could Trish be!?!?!

I do find the whole 'bump' thing entertaining here as I am all for voters being required to show ID in order to vote... so am all for people going out and getting IDs in order to be able to do so!

Alas some states like Hawaii and Washington and the ease of permemant absentee voting make voter fraud even easier.

Did you know... in Washington State they require that an absentee voter (which most of the state is) signature match what is on file with the state... but for those who cannot sign the same way twice (or opt to engage in fraud)... you need only have two signatures to witness the 'mark' of the voter in order to have the ballot cast?

I've a friend who has lived there for a little while (including after the switch to permanent absentee) and she made it a point to come up with interesting ways to get is ballot signed by other people... sometimes by non-resident aliens who she works with, othertimes he'll just sign two different names himself... and to the Washington system... it's all fine and dandy! And obviously no one in the entire state abuses the system for fraud... not one single person. How do we know that? Because Trish & Cuchulain have said so!

[bobvela]

It is interesting how all the rightwingers here never red and respond to anything of any complexity... anything which offers genuine evidence of the nature of the beast that they support 9but cannot and will not be able to control at all once it attains office. Sad really.
Oh yes - bump.

Ahh willful ignorance at it's best... you keep bumping... I want all of you liberals to prove you are who you say you are when you go to vote... all the better to keep the dead & lazy (and who have votes cast on their behalf) from voting!

[Prospero]

Ahh.. the bigger the lie and the more frequent its telling, the more people believe it.
Bobvela - are you also one of those who doubt that Obama is truly American?

It is a ploy in Republican controlled states to disenfranchise the poorest voters - many of who are Democrats. Even some state's courts have recognised this.

Oh and I won't be voting in YOUR elections. Note here i live.

[danthepoetman]

Ahh willful ignorance at it's best... you keep bumping... I want all of you liberals to prove you are who you say you are when you go to vote... all the better to keep the dead & lazy (and who have votes cast on their behalf) from voting!

bobvela, you already have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, with the subtlety of your irresistible logic, that the “Liberals” are evil! What more do you want to accomplish here? Has Jesus sent you to oversee such evil? It seems to me there’s no need to do anything else, we’re all crushed by the power of the Lord, who probably speak through your words… Why would you be more insistent?
You posted 62 times on the forum. Do you have any interest here, besides defending the hard Right, if I might ask? The only explanation for me, is that you’re indeed on a mission from God.

[Willie Escalade]

I want all of you liberals to prove you are who you say you are when you go to vote... all the better to keep the dead & lazy (and who have votes cast on their behalf) from voting!

I WILL vote...I don't have to be to work until 6:30pm, so I'll have PLENTY of time to do so. I have a valid, state issued drivers' license, my social security card, AND a copy of my long-form birth certificate....and so does the rest of my family.

[buttslinger]

I hate repeating myself,
EVERYONE knows this is a scam by republican governors to suppress democratic votes.
call me a liar and prove your word means nothing. This isn't the Rush Limbaugh show.

[Cuchulain]

Describing the evolution of the Republicans' racial appeal, the late Lee Atwater, one-time chair of the Republican National Committee and member of the Reagan administration, said in 1981. "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger'. By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' – that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing [and] states' rights. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites … obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'nigger, nigger'."

Thanks for a great post, Prospero. Good old Lee Atwater. He's playing his guitar in Hell. I understand that Karl Rove keeps a shrine to Atwater in his basement, complete with a bloody sacrificial altar. The neighbor's pets keep disappearing mysteriously on nights when the moon is full, lol.

[Cuchulain]

It was claimed here ... it's all fine and dandy!

Lad, the first post in this thread talked about voter ID laws and the political purging of voting rolls in Fla. I and others have correctly pointed out that these laws are not needed. They only impact in-person vote fraud, which is one person trying to vote under someone else's identity. The cases of that happening in America have been shown to be statistically insignificant. However, the chances that these laws will prevent a significant number of honest voters from exercising their rights is a real and present danger.

Nobody but a blooming idiot would risk 5 yrs in prison and a $10k fine to cast a fake ballot. BUT, a large amount of Americans do not have the photo ID required to vote in many states. The road to getting that ID is not, in many cases, a smooth one. Now THAT could swing an election, and the repubs know it.

You and the other CONs keep trying to drag the discussion away from the new laws because you simply can't defend them. You continue to cite cases of fraud that stem from registration problems, which are real, but aren't fixed by photo ID legislation.

I'm in favor of cleaning up the voter rolls and preventing any shenanigans, but it must be done carefully, in a non-partisan way. I'd rather see a few bad votes go through than see a large number of folks get screwed.

[trish]

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