What To Do About Syria

[bishr]

the friendly rebels a few hours ago gave aleppo a fair well gift before the syrian army completely removes them from it, they detonated a massive bomb in a building block containing three hospitals and a school-turned-refugee-shelter. cunt face clinton should do more to help them! they r so nice.

[bishr]

it just baffles me that cunt face clinton would say that americans must be shocked that their ambassador would be killed like that in the exact city the helped rebel against and defeat the late libyan leader mouamar al ghaddafi!!! is she kidding me??? isn't killing 150,000 libyans directly and indirectly but mostly directly with air strikes reason enough??? isn't destroying the country's infrastructure reason enough??? isn't giving a huge percentage of the proceeds from the libyan oil to foreign companies reason enough??? isn't bringing to power people who think beheading is the best way to run a country reason enough???

she talks so affectionately about the families of the killed americans and their children! what about the bombing of al ghaddafi's sons??? what about the bombing of al ghaddafi's grandsons???

how can anyone who so lovingly nurtured the islamic extremists be shocked that they would turn on him/her??? such behavior was made the most basic and instinctive one in them!

[bishr]

the BBC commentary on the video is far worse than the video itself! they r taking such a sickening crime so casually! watching it felt almost like watching "cannibal holocaust" again!

[Stavros]

it just baffles me that cunt face clinton would say that americans must be shocked that their ambassador would be killed like that in the exact city the helped rebel against and defeat the late libyan leader mouamar al ghaddafi!!! is she kidding me??? isn't killing 150,000 libyans directly and indirectly but mostly directly with air strikes reason enough??? isn't destroying the country's infrastructure reason enough??? isn't giving a huge percentage of the proceeds from the libyan oil to foreign companies reason enough??? isn't bringing to power people who think beheading is the best way to run a country reason enough???

she talks so affectionately about the families of the killed americans and their children! what about the bombing of al ghaddafi's sons??? what about the bombing of al ghaddafi's grandsons???

how can anyone who so lovingly nurtured the islamic extremists be shocked that they would turn on him/her??? such behavior was made the most basic and instinctive one in them!

You need to acquaint yourself with a few facts, Bishr.

1) The attack on the US Embassy Consulate in Bengazi was planned as a retaliation for the murder of Yahya al-Libi, allegedly second-in-command in al-Qaeda, who was killed in a drone attack in Pakistan on June 4th.

2) Muammar al-Qadhafi was not the legitimate leader of Libya, he was not elected to the post, but seized it by force in 1969. In the 40-odd years that followed, Qadhafi systematically looted the country's oil revenues, waged war against anyone who opposed his rule whether they were western-style democrats or Islamic conservatives; he spent millions of $$ and sent thousands of Libyan soldiers to their deaths in his ridiculous attempt to expand into Chad; he was intimately involved in the supply of arms and ammunition to the Provisional IRA in Northern Ireland; he gave sanctuary to mass murderers like Abu Nidal, Carlos 'the Jackal'; it was with Qadhafi's approval that an as-yet unidentified gunman shot dead a British policewoman, Yvonne Fletcher when opening fire on a legtimate demonstration in London against Qadhafi's rule in Libya; and Qadhafi repeatedly insulted the Arab people and conspired to undermine their right to choose their own governments.

3) The destruction to Libya's infrastructure was minimal, and not just because there isn't much to destroy outside the highways, the man-made river, and the oil installations, most of which were untouched.

4) It was because of Qadhafi's reckless political activities that Libya was ostracised by the international system and unable to gain access to the technology that will unlock value in the Libyan oil industry, this was the reason why Qadhafi was prepared to do anthing and say anything to overhaul the petroleum industry in Libya -so it was your hero Qadhafi who signed the contracts with BP, with Shell, and the others. Libya needs a modernised petroleum industry, there is nothing wrong with inviting the latest technology and capital into the country; if in the future the Libyan government wants to nationalise its oil industry again, that is its right.

What you need to do is mount a defence, if you can, of Muammar al-Qadhafi, of Hafiz al-Asad and his son Bashir. Best of luck!

ps Your abusive remarks about Hillary Clinton are unworthy of anyone who posts in HungAngels.

[Prospero]

Bishr - please post controversial and provocative views by all means, but refrain from the deeply abusive remarks made about Mrs Clinton. Otherwise all your posts will be deleted.

[broncofan]

it just baffles me that cunt face clinton would say that americans must be shocked that their ambassador would be killed like that in the exact city the helped rebel against and defeat the late libyan leader mouamar al ghaddafi!!! is she kidding me??? isn't killing 150,000 libyans directly and indirectly but mostly directly with air strikes reason enough??? isn't destroying the country's infrastructure reason enough??? !

It shouldn't matter that I don't accept your premises. In morality, parties can be blamed just as easily for inaction as for action. But let's say we accept what you have said about U.S foreign policy. Does that make the murder of an ambassador justified? The murderers blamed an offensive film about the Prophet Mohammad. But why does it matter if that was the motivation or what you have claimed is the motivation?

If you wonder why there is so much killing and so much death it is because people find it so easy to justify murdering innocents. So you disagree with U.S policy. So you think Hillary Clinton is a "cuntface" and don't respect women enough generally to avoid using such terms. Is there really a reason to storm an embassy and murder a man?

What exactly was this man's culpability that he deserved death?

[flabbybody]

This is an intelligent exchange of view points but I'm thinking bishr's remarks violate our collective common decency.

[Prospero]

This is an intelligent exchange of view points but I'm thinking bishr's remarks violate our collective common decency.

I agree

[bishr]

It shouldn't matter that I don't accept your premises. In morality, parties can be blamed just as easily for inaction as for action. But let's say we accept what you have said about U.S foreign policy. Does that make the murder of an ambassador justified? The murderers blamed an offensive film about the Prophet Mohammad. But why does it matter if that was the motivation or what you have claimed is the motivation?

If you wonder why there is so much killing and so much death it is because people find it so easy to justify murdering innocents. So you disagree with U.S policy. So you think Hillary Clinton is a "cuntface" and don't respect women enough generally to avoid using such terms. Is there really a reason to storm an embassy and murder a man?

What exactly was this man's culpability that he deserved death?

please people wake up, we r not just hateful blind enraged morons and i like i already said, i so totally oppose the crazy people that killed him but it is the USA that put them in power by obliterating the libyan army with cowardly airstrikes!

as for why i celebrated the death of the embassador, all i can say is that a picture is worth 1000000000000000 words! look at this photo! look how he was giving the thumbs up over the dead body of a glorified leader for countless millions! look how he is happy about leader al ghaddafi got murdered after being violated with a steel rebar in his rectum??? can u not see the irony??????? is it that hard to understand that when someone so profoundly harms u, u become angry and want to return the favor??????? if somebody acts like that over your father's dead body and smiles and gives the thumbs up, would u be ok with that???

anyway the ones who killed him are not at all pro-ghaddafi, they r the crazy extremists doing their thing just because.

it is america's extremely cruel foreign policy that made america such a hated nation. it is truly a shame, i have many good american friends that i have been friends with for over a decade.

[broncofan]

Bishr,
but by your logic then you should also be killed because you are celebrating his death. There is nothing different about what you and he did except that he was celebrating the death of someone with much more blood on his hands. But again, nobody should be killed for being offensive, even in a grossly indecent way. Otherwise, where does that leave you? The killers also gave a different justification for their actions than you do. This is relevant because what you are providing is a post-hoc justification for his death that does not necessarily shed light on the motives of his killers.

But again, of course the government and their supporters would be angry with us for supporting the rebels. Whether doing so actually increases the death toll or a humanitarian crisis depends on the balance of power. In cases where the rebels have no chance whatsoever, aiding them prolongs their misery and increases the death toll.