17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[EvonRose]

There is no security, only opportunity-MacArthur

People build walls around their stupidity like believing a guy walking home from the store MUST be guilty of something, or believing we have to get tough on China when half the stuff we buy at Walmart comes from there, and we have to get tough on the Middle East when Exxon gets half it's oil there, and we have to get tough on Wall St, by voting for Romney!!!! oh, and sucking dicks is for homos, unless it's hanging off a pretty face. Tora Tora Tora!!!!!

100% agree...

[natina]

now zimmerman claims trayvon was skipping & not running away from him.

he also claims he was not following trayvon.

the DA says that zimmermans story is changing as he tells it

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/justic...iew/index.html

http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html

[natina]

The specific second-degree murder charge against zimmerman...

is grounded in the fact that he made a series of willful choices

that PUT him in a situation where (according to his claim)

Lethal force was required.

Quotation from Interview with Detective
QUOTE

The biggest problem, according to (Detective) Serino, was Zimmerman’s insistence that Trayvon suddenly jumped him and tried to kill him without provocation.

“The kid has no violent tendencies that we can find. What made him snap?” Serino asked.

“He's not on PCP. He's not on anything. He’s on Skittles.”

Zimmerman could not answer.

“He was 17 years old, an athlete, probably going into aeronautics. A kid with a future, a kid with folks that care...not a goon,” the detective said.

“He does not fit the profile of what occurred.”

Zimmerman had no reaction.

Serino also questioned Zimmerman repeatedly about why he never identified himself to Trayvon as a neighborhood watchman, Which Zimmerman could not explain.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...nswer-teenager


Now that Zimmerman has been charged, I'm happy to simply await the outcome of the trial.

But a little notice to the baiters who come here to insinuate that Trayvon was some kind of a thug.


THIS DETECTIVE IS EXPLICITLY SAYING THAT TRAYVON DID NOT FIT THAT PROFILE.

It is also abundantly clear that Zimmerman did NOT politely identify himself as a concerned citizen / neighborhood watch

[buttslinger]

If Zimmerman had the Police Uniform to go with the gun, none of this would have happened.

[giovanni_hotel]

If Zimmerman had the Police Uniform to go with the gun, none of this would have happened.

LOL!!

Truth.

[Stavros]

If Zimmerman had the Police Uniform to go with the gun, none of this would have happened.

Oh no, Buttslinger, now we are going to get 100 posts on why GZ was not fit to be a policeman/ why he conforms to steretopypes of a typical Florida policeman, etc etc etc.

[yosi]

The right to bear arms...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ter-mailonline
Just sayin'...

the result of this right to bear arms.....

[yodajazz]

I disagree. I know a lot of people who support gun rights and are not right wing. I would argue that it is a conservative notion to tell people what they can and can not own to defend themselves. It is silly that race has even come in to play in this situation. The FBI has cleared him of being a racist. The person who edited the 911 tapes to make him sound racist was also fired. I think there are just as many people who think this guy should be hung simply because he is white as there are people who think he is innocent because he is white. There is so much over sensationalism and issues being stirred up from nothing as a result of this. Just look at the title of this thread. It's ridiculous. Race was a non issue when the crime happened. It has been made an issue by the media.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion, that race was a non issue, in the causes of this incident. I say it is the major factor. While Zimmerman's accounts may possibly be true, one has to make a major assumption, that a youth with no history of violence, attacked Zimmerman with no provocation. What reason would Martin have had to attemped to kill Zimmerman, with no provaction? Oh yeah, I forgot that Martin was photographed rasing his index finger. So one has to make the assumption then that anyone who makes that gesture, is surely likely to attemp murder. Or, if he was in reality, looking at a house, then his only motive for looking at a house, was to burglerize it. Dont humans admire nice material things? If you go down the list of things Martin has been accused of doing, the key factor that would make a person believe that a person, doing those things is likely of attempted murder, without any provacation, is racial stereotypes. If your major contact with a minority, is seeing them on the news, your views of them will likely be shaped by what you see. Some people believe that Zimmerman's story is so credible, they sent him over $100,000 in donations.

But there is more than direct racism involved here. The great divide in humanity, is how much we see others, as being like ourselves. Jesus, recognized this, as one of his two, commandments was, "to love thy neighbor as thyself". People often respect the members of their own ethnic group. It is much easier to believe that others who we interact with are 'reasonable people', like we view ourselves. We then see crime, by those of other ethnic groups, some people see that as a characteristic of the group, rather than bad seeds.

So the bottom line is that in the Martin case, whether it is direct racism or indirect, Racial stereotypes is the the major factor in making people believe Zimmerman's story is true, without question. The public outcry for a trial, is simply about answering questions. The case was considered closed, until Martins parents got the public's attention. I, personlly have lots of questions, and understand that his parents have many questions also.

In my youth, when I got my first car, sometimes I would drive through the richest neighborhoods and dream of one day having a home like those. I, in no way thought about burglarizing any of those homes. Zimmerman's thought patterns are symptoms of a disburbed mind, or a sick society, if many people believe the same thing. But perhaps Zimmerman was entirely right, in assuming that Martin was going to burglarize that house. But I would personally give it a small percentage chance of being likely, reasonable assmumption, or true.

Amy, though I disagree with your statement, I still consider you to be a reasonable person, as I think of myself as such. And this is what Jesus commanded, not following you around with a loaded weapon. (In response to Zimmerman's tv interview).

[yodajazz]

I disagree. I know a lot of people who support gun rights and are not right wing. I would argue that it is a conservative notion to tell people what they can and can not own to defend themselves. It is silly that race has even come in to play in this situation. The FBI has cleared him of being a racist. The person who edited the 911 tapes to make him sound racist was also fired. I think there are just as many people who think this guy should be hung simply because he is white as there are people who think he is innocent because he is white. There is so much over sensationalism and issues being stirred up from nothing as a result of this. Just look at the title of this thread. It's ridiculous. Race was a non issue when the crime happened. It has been made an issue by the media.

Another example of why this is a racial issue. Trayvon is not considered to have thoughts and actions as a normal reasonble human being may have. I have stated this previously. Martin was being followed at night by car and then on foot. That Martin may have feared for his own safety, would be a reasonble possibility, if one can assume he was human, rather than sub-human. But I will agree wtih you, that the end result will be soley on whether Zimmerman's actions are judged to be criminal.

[EvonRose]

I respectfully disagree with your opinion, that race was a non issue, in the causes of this incident. I say it is the major factor. While Zimmerman's accounts may possibly be true, one has to make a major assumption, that a youth with no history of violence, attacked Zimmerman with no provocation. What reason would Martin have had to attemped to kill Zimmerman, with no provaction? Oh yeah, I forgot that Martin was photographed rasing his index finger. So one has to make the assumption then that anyone who makes that gesture, is surely likely to attemp murder. Or, if he was in reality, looking at a house, then his only motive for looking at a house, was to burglerize it. Dont humans admire nice material things? If you go down the list of things Martin has been accused of doing, the key factor that would make a person believe that a person, doing those things is likely of attempted murder, without any provacation, is racial stereotypes. If your major contact with a minority, is seeing them on the news, your views of them will likely be shaped by what you see. Some people believe that Zimmerman's story is so credible, they sent him over $100,000 in donations.

But there is more than direct racism involved here. The great divide in humanity, is how much we see others, as being like ourselves. Jesus, recognized this, as one of his two, commandments was, "to love thy neighbor as thyself". People often respect the members of their own ethnic group. It is much easier to believe that others who we interact with are 'reasonable people', like we view ourselves. We then see crime, by those of other ethnic groups, some people see that as a characteristic of the group, rather than bad seeds.

So the bottom line is that in the Martin case, whether it is direct racism or indirect, Racial stereotypes is the the major factor in making people believe Zimmerman's story is true, without question. The public outcry for a trial, is simply about answering questions. The case was considered closed, until Martins parents got the public's attention. I, personlly have lots of questions, and understand that his parents have many questions also.

In my youth, when I got my first car, sometimes I would drive through the richest neighborhoods and dream of one day having a home like those. I, in no way thought about burglarizing any of those homes. Zimmerman's thought patterns are symptoms of a disburbed mind, or a sick society, if many people believe the same thing. But perhaps Zimmerman was entirely right, in assuming that Martin was going to burglarize that house. But I would personally give it a small percentage chance of being likely, reasonable assmumption, or true.

Amy, though I disagree with your statement, I still consider you to be a reasonable person, as I think of myself as such. And this is what Jesus commanded, not following you around with a loaded weapon. (In response to Zimmerman's tv interview).

I agree 100 percent!

Plus Trayvon was staying in one of the houses according to reports, he was staying with his dad's or uncle's girlfriends house in the hood, but he went out for a quick, I guess to buy candy... Little did anyone know he wasn't going to come home that day. How sad.