Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!

[kittyKaiti]

Urgh - the same old retarded arguments: the US has more guns per head of population than most other countries but every time something like this happens they blame it on "wearing raincoats/Batman/drugs/whatever".
Listen, I get it - guns are cool, they're fun to take on the range and fire, I've done enough of it. That's the only reason most of you idiots support the right to bear arms. Stating it's in the Constitution is horseshit, Constitutions can be changed and you'd be happy to do it for something else. Trying to say it would protect you from the Government? Seriously? What backwards country do you live in? You live in what is meant to be (by your own admission) the Greatest Country on Earth - or the Greatest Democracy on Earth. Stating you own guns for when you might need to defend yourself from the government is like Christians awaiting the Rapture or survivalists wanted the end of times to come. You are living in a fucking fantasy and salivating over the potential of an apocalypse (or zombie outbreak). Get the fuck over yourselves - you want guns because you like them and enjoy them - so stop with the excuses.

I understand wanting to protect yourself. If I ended up living on the mainland, I'd consider having a gun in the house for protection but I live somewhere, where guns, especially assault type or semi-automatics are almost impossible to get, so I don't need to. Surely you fuckwits can see the difference between protecting yourself with A gun and someone being able to get a hold of 6000 rounds of ammunition, assault rifles, semi-automatics? Surely you understand that not every legitimate gun owner remains sane and normal ... or their gun cannot be taken from them (ie; see the idiot on his 1st post above about not having his guns taken).

Guns kill. Countries which have more stringent gun laws have fewer gun deaths (don't both throwing in the few examples of otherwise). Your country has too many fucking idiots, as most countries do to be trusted with those types of weapons. Once again big business wins over common sense and those of you who are pro-gun are no different from religious zealots, refusing to listen to common sense or any other form of argument that may possibly restrict weapons.

Yes, Constitutions can be changed. Our great Bush regime surely proved that when he rolled out the foundation for what will become in the next decade, the United Fascist Totalitarian States of Jesusland. We already have 4 year old girls with teddybears being groped by airport security, checking for supposed diaper bombs and throwing wheelchair bound old ladies on the floor to search her wheelchair for pipe bombs or some other bullshit on top of the PATRIOT Act and a dozen other Bush regime laws to strip Americans of their Constitutional rights of justice and due process in the name of preventing terrorism. Terrorism we already had the ability to prevent a long ass time ago but, well, after the DoD was informed over and over by several governments including Israel that 9/11 was going to happen, the government disregarded it anyway. Instead we went to war, used them as excuses to tear apart our civil and human rights, while claiming we are freeing Afghanistan and then Iraq. This isn't enough though for the so-called free Democratic West. The G8, G20, EU and every other greedy corporate run world government has been trying soooooooooooooo hard to stomp out our rights bit by bit with dumb shit like ACTA (international law authorizing border checkpoints to illegally search and seize your electronics for "pirated music") and Australia's AMCA internet blacklist to censor and ban half the internet like they do in China and Iran and even here in the USA, we get our retarded Republican scumbags trying to pass some other fascist law to monitor everything we do from threatening Google and Twitter and Facebook to surrendering all the user data to the FBI and CIA to spy on everyone more easily, illegal wiretapping and Guantanamo torture camps and the bizarre construction of these FEMA camps all over America as if we're preparing to intern all the Japanese again like we did in World War II. Yes, I love guns, they are cool. I also want them, not only to pose and take sexy photos with and shoot at the range but to be able to shoot whoever comes into my home without legal authority, be it a criminal or a Fed. Its already happened in Greece and the way America is spiraling down the toilet drain, it is not inconceivable to see the 99% decide to fight back one day when Mitt Romney and Mormon space Jesus comes into power and take away healthcare, social security, pensions and sends our children and parents overseas to murder more Muslims in a country we have no business in since day one (Iraq).

[kittyKaiti]

The automatic weapons ban expired. The regulation on automatic weapons therefore less restricted then it used to be.

to think before they shoot. Avoid gunfire if possible without further endangering you life. Self-defense has always been a legal plea way before SYG. SYG is not about defense, it's about escalating a dangerous situation even in cases where violence can be avoided.

Yes. A firearm in apurse, for example, may be pointed directly at you (deliberately or coincidentally) and you would never know that you are at increased risk of injury. I don't know about you, but I was taught NEVER to pass the barrel across the body of another person, regardless of whether the safety is on or whether the chamber is empty. An ordinary person can assess his level of risk and most of the weapons in the joint are on display. Moreover, I believe fewer people would carry if they had to carry openly because they're embarrassed to go out in public toting their toys. Besides if you carried openly think of all the guns you could buy as accessories to your outfits.

The automatic weapons ban did not expire. It is called the "Assault" weapons ban and that did expire. The Assault weapons ban outlawed the ownership of things like the AK-47 and M16, regardless if it fired full auto or semi-auto and bans certain guns parts and accessories that somehow made the weapon look more scary like... cool little sights and flash hiders and pistol grips so you can fire the gun without dropping it and general ease of use kinda stuff. New York and California still try to enforce their own state laws like that, it only makes the two governments look like retards.

Stand Your Ground does not imply: go harass a black kid with a iced tea and Skittles and then shoot him when he tries to stop you from harassing him. The entire idea that Zimmerman could even dare use the Stand Your Ground law on any basis is retarded. People don't seem to understand that Trayvon Martin utilized SYG after attempting to run from Zimmerman, who pursued, cornered and intimidated Martin further. Trayvon, used SYG in an attempt to stop Zimmerman's harassment, stalking and later murder.

I'm not sure who would carry a loaded gun in a purse. Anyone who has any level of sense would be trained, especially when you have to apply to a carrying permit, like in New York, where they teach you gun safety, would know not to carry a loaded gun in a purse with random objects pushing and bumping the gun and trigger. It belongs in a holster, whether on your belt, shoulder, thigh or ankle.

[GroobySteven]

Yes, Constitutions can be changed. Our great Bush regime surely proved that when he rolled out the foundation for what will become in the next decade, the United Fascist Totalitarian States of Jesusland. We already have 4 year old girls with teddybears being groped by airport security, checking for supposed diaper bombs and throwing wheelchair bound old ladies on the floor to search her wheelchair for pipe bombs or some other bullshit on top of the PATRIOT Act and a dozen other Bush regime laws to strip Americans of their Constitutional rights of justice and due process in the name of preventing terrorism. Terrorism we already had the ability to prevent a long ass time ago but, well, after the DoD was informed over and over by several governments including Israel that 9/11 was going to happen, the government disregarded it anyway. Instead we went to war, used them as excuses to tear apart our civil and human rights, while claiming we are freeing Afghanistan and then Iraq. This isn't enough though for the so-called free Democratic West. The G8, G20, EU and every other greedy corporate run world government has been trying soooooooooooooo hard to stomp out our rights bit by bit with dumb shit like ACTA (international law authorizing border checkpoints to illegally search and seize your electronics for "pirated music") and Australia's AMCA internet blacklist to censor and ban half the internet like they do in China and Iran and even here in the USA, we get our retarded Republican scumbags trying to pass some other fascist law to monitor everything we do from threatening Google and Twitter and Facebook to surrendering all the user data to the FBI and CIA to spy on everyone more easily, illegal wiretapping and Guantanamo torture camps and the bizarre construction of these FEMA camps all over America as if we're preparing to intern all the Japanese again like we did in World War II. Yes, I love guns, they are cool. I also want them, not only to pose and take sexy photos with and shoot at the range but to be able to shoot whoever comes into my home without legal authority, be it a criminal or a Fed. Its already happened in Greece and the way America is spiraling down the toilet drain, it is not inconceivable to see the 99% decide to fight back one day when Mitt Romney and Mormon space Jesus comes into power and take away healthcare, social security, pensions and sends our children and parents overseas to murder more Muslims in a country we have no business in since day one (Iraq).

Great post, I must say.
What happened in Greece though?

[shaustin]

Personaly I view guns as tools. Yes they are dangerous and deadly in the wrong hands, but so is an automobile. Strangely though you NEVER see people get up in arms about the number of vehicles on the road after a fatal crash. You never hear anyone say "It should be harder for people to buy cars, then this wouldn't happen." The truth is things exist, and those who want for things can find them, regardless of what laws and regulations restrict said things. I can see for alot of people guns might not fit into such a category, but for me and the area I live in, they do. Is it right for someone else I've never met to decide what's okay for me and what isn't? To come to my door and take from me useful tools I use and at times rely on? I don't believe it is. Firearms will likely exist for just as long as humanity does, it's the people who need to change, not the laws.

[GroobySteven]

Personaly I view guns as tools. Yes they are dangerous and deadly in the wrong hands, but so is an automobile. Strangely though you NEVER see people get up in arms about the number of vehicles on the road after a fatal crash.

Fucking brilliant deductions!
I've also never heard someone say, I'm going to sneak this Chevy into a movie theater and run down all these people.
An automobile has one purpose and so does a gun.

[trish]

1.So reinstate the ban against assault weapons.
2. Self defense is already a legitimate defense. SYG just encourages escalation.
3. Guns are carried in purses all the time. There is a new line of clothes for men with "gun pockets" at thigh level. When seated the gun is directed at your neighbor. Tied holsters have the same issue. Just carry in the open so the rest of us can assess the risk to our person.

[kittyKaiti]

1.So reinstate the ban against assault weapons.
2. Self defense is already a legitimate defense. SYG just encourages escalation.
3. Guns are carried in purses all the time. There is a new line of clothes for men with "gun pockets" at thigh level. When seated the gun is directed at your neighbor. Tied holsters have the same issue. Just carry in the open so the rest of us can assess the risk to our person.

The assault weapon ban didn't really do much though in the first place. It banned Kalashinkov brand rifles, so other companies cloned them and therefore, legal civilian AK-47s. The bans targeted "Colt" brand AR-15s, so other companies made their own and poof, AR-15s everywhere and legal. Ban the flash hiders but any normal person a stick one on again with clever modification. Pistol grips can be installed with ease. FFS, my toy airsoft gun replica of an M4 Carbine was so well 1 on 1 scale with my S&W AR-15 that the parts for the exterior were interchangeable like the rail mounts, foregrips, pistol grips, telescoping stock, etc. Ban it all you want because it won't stop people from doing it anyway. Gun bans work one way. Criminals disregard them. Law abiders don't.

SYG is not to create an escalation. SYG means that when there is a rapist chasing me down the street, I have the right to turn around a pop that fucker in the head with a 9mm. I have no duty to flee. It's based on MY right to be in a public location safely and understanding that HE has NO right to commit any offense against me or anyone. Only in those pussy states are you forced to flee and try to run until you are too tired or cornered or trapped, or maybe you're out in the middle of bumfuck with nowhere to run to for help but its illegal to stop and fight back because some dumb liberal P.O.S said you have no right to defend yourself.

[kittyKaiti]

Great post, I must say.
What happened in Greece though?

I dunno, Steve... I think this did:









I can get hundreds of videos like this.

[shaustin]

Fucking brilliant deductions!
I've also never heard someone say, I'm going to sneak this Chevy into a movie theater and run down all these people.
An automobile has one purpose and so does a gun.

Strange.....I've used automobiles for a variety of purposes before....and guns aswell.... I guess I must not be using either of them right. Guess I better go out and murder some people so no one will say I don't know the only purpose of my firearm.


And ya know what else I've never heard:

"The shotgun ran the red light and caused this fatal accident."
"That silver revolver right there, it was passing the .38 special and collided with the oncoming AR-15 killing everyone inside."
"Let's finish these beers and go take my new winchester for a spin in town."

[Faldur]

Had one person in the theatre been carrying and trained we wouldn't be having this conversation. Even old men can make it look easy.