Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!

[BellaBellucci]

If we're going to ban guns, then let's also ban cutting tools, alcohol, tobacco, saturated fat, high fructose corn syrup, GMO crops, motor vehicles, caffeine, power windows, red meat, extreme sports, and, of course, religion. What else did I leave out?

So yayz! Let's do this! Because we live in a democratic nanny state, not a free republic, right?

Keep this up and we'll be in neither. Fascism anyone?

~BB~

[trish]

Good argument for stiffer laws controlling both firearms and second smoke. But please stop arguing against straw man opponents. Nobody here is whining and nobody is suggesting we ban all guns. Let's just have some common sense regulation. E.g. Reinstate the ban against automatic weapons. Revoke SYG laws. Regulate clip capacity. Restrict concealed carry. If you want to carry, then man up and display your weapon.

[SFTB]

. E.g. Reinstate the ban against automatic weapons. Revoke SYG laws. Regulate clip capacity. Restrict concealed carry. If you want to carry, then man up and display your weapon.

Sorry Trish, sometimes open display of legal weapons and standing your ground is the only thing that keeps you from losing everything. se vid

and Denver is not an open carry municipality
http://opencarry.org/co.html

[trish]

I'm not against open display. Read again. I'm opposed to concealment.

[kittyKaiti]

Good argument for stiffer laws controlling both firearms and second smoke. But please stop arguing against straw man opponents. Nobody here is whining and nobody is suggesting we ban all guns. Let's just have some common sense regulation. E.g. Reinstate the ban against automatic weapons. Revoke SYG laws. Regulate clip capacity. Restrict concealed carry. If you want to carry, then man up and display your weapon.

Well, here is the problem with that:

1. Banning Automatic Weapons: They are already HEAVILY regulated. You must acquire a Class III license to get a-hold of fully automatic weapons. The ATF does not like handing out Class III permits, therefore, not many people have them. But that does not stop the average gun savvy person from opening up the interior of their AR-15 and modifying the firing pin to allow for (illegal) full automatic firing mode.

2. Revoke Stand Your Ground: And this is to achieve WHAT? Telling victims of crime to RUN, RUN, RUN as fast as you possibly can and if you can't escape, lay down and take your ass raping and beating like the bitch you are. SYG is also known as "the right to defend yourself from a dumb piece of shit law". Simple fact. If criminals don't want to get shot or stabbed or something else, well don't commit crimes. It is not my duty to retreat from my home, vehicle, business nor surrender to the demands of some retard in a ski mask. In every violent crime incident, it is ALWAYS your life or theirs. You really think that just running away or obeying their commands will save your life?

3. Clip Capacity: You must mean "magazine" capacity. These mag capacity limits are both stupid and useless. New York already bans any gun mag higher than 10 rounds. But guess what, I own several 30 round magazines for my AR-15. Why? Because they are legal to buy regardless. These are grandfather mags, unused mags that were manufactured before 1994. Magazine capacity limits dont really slow me down either. Changing out a mag is simple, at least for me, even if I have to use those 10 rounders.

4. Concealed Carry: Is there REALLY any difference between a person with a concealed carrying permit and a person carrying openly, also with a permit? Does this make any difference to the fact that said person is carrying a firearm?

[SFTB]

I'm not against open display. Read again. I'm opposed to concealment.

That doesnt make much sense. Concealed weapon permits require a background check and classes.

[GroobySteven]

Urgh - the same old retarded arguments: the US has more guns per head of population than most other countries but every time something like this happens they blame it on "wearing raincoats/Batman/drugs/whatever".
Listen, I get it - guns are cool, they're fun to take on the range and fire, I've done enough of it. That's the only reason most of you idiots support the right to bear arms. Stating it's in the Constitution is horseshit, Constitutions can be changed and you'd be happy to do it for something else. Trying to say it would protect you from the Government? Seriously? What backwards country do you live in? You live in what is meant to be (by your own admission) the Greatest Country on Earth - or the Greatest Democracy on Earth. Stating you own guns for when you might need to defend yourself from the government is like Christians awaiting the Rapture or survivalists wanted the end of times to come. You are living in a fucking fantasy and salivating over the potential of an apocalypse (or zombie outbreak). Get the fuck over yourselves - you want guns because you like them and enjoy them - so stop with the excuses.

I understand wanting to protect yourself. If I ended up living on the mainland, I'd consider having a gun in the house for protection but I live somewhere, where guns, especially assault type or semi-automatics are almost impossible to get, so I don't need to. Surely you fuckwits can see the difference between protecting yourself with A gun and someone being able to get a hold of 6000 rounds of ammunition, assault rifles, semi-automatics? Surely you understand that not every legitimate gun owner remains sane and normal ... or their gun cannot be taken from them (ie; see the idiot on his 1st post above about not having his guns taken).

Guns kill. Countries which have more stringent gun laws have fewer gun deaths (don't both throwing in the few examples of otherwise). Your country has too many fucking idiots, as most countries do to be trusted with those types of weapons. Once again big business wins over common sense and those of you who are pro-gun are no different from religious zealots, refusing to listen to common sense or any other form of argument that may possibly restrict weapons.

[BellaBellucci]

Urgh - the same old retarded arguments: the US has more guns per head of population than most other countries but every time something like this happens they blame it on "wearing raincoats/Batman/drugs/whatever".
Listen, I get it - guns are cool, they're fun to take on the range and fire, I've done enough of it. That's the only reason most of you idiots support the right to bear arms. Stating it's in the Constitution is horseshit, Constitutions can be changed and you'd be happy to do it for something else. Trying to say it would protect you from the Government? Seriously? What backwards country do you live in? You live in what is meant to be (by your own admission) the Greatest Country on Earth - or the Greatest Democracy on Earth. Stating you own guns for when you might need to defend yourself from the government is like Christians awaiting the Rapture or survivalists wanted the end of times to come. You are living in a fucking fantasy and salivating over the potential of an apocalypse (or zombie outbreak). Get the fuck over yourselves - you want guns because you like them and enjoy them - so stop with the excuses.

I understand wanting to protect yourself. If I ended up living on the mainland, I'd consider having a gun in the house for protection but I live somewhere, where guns, especially assault type or semi-automatics are almost impossible to get, so I don't need to. Surely you fuckwits can see the difference between protecting yourself with A gun and someone being able to get a hold of 6000 rounds of ammunition, assault rifles, semi-automatics? Surely you understand that not every legitimate gun owner remains sane and normal ... or their gun cannot be taken from them (ie; see the idiot on his 1st post above about not having his guns taken).

Guns kill. Countries which have more stringent gun laws have fewer gun deaths (don't both throwing in the few examples of otherwise). Your country has too many fucking idiots, as most countries do to be trusted with those types of weapons. Once again big business wins over common sense and those of you who are pro-gun are no different from religious zealots, refusing to listen to common sense or any other form of argument that may possibly restrict weapons.

My Gods. Where would I ever begin?!

You and I argue enough. I'll let Kaiti field this one.

~BB~

[trish]

1. Banning Automatic Weapons: They are already HEAVILY regulated.

The automatic weapons ban expired. The regulation on automatic weapons therefore less restricted then it used to be.

2. Revoke Stand Your Ground:... Telling victims of crime to...

to think before they shoot. Avoid gunfire if possible without further endangering you life. Self-defense has always been a legal plea way before SYG. SYG is not about defense, it's about escalating a dangerous situation even in cases where violence can be avoided.

4. Concealed Carry: Is there REALLY any difference between a person with a concealed carrying permit and a person carrying openly, also with a permit? Does this make any difference to the fact that said person is carrying a firearm?

Yes. A firearm in apurse, for example, may be pointed directly at you (deliberately or coincidentally) and you would never know that you are at increased risk of injury. I don't know about you, but I was taught NEVER to pass the barrel across the body of another person, regardless of whether the safety is on or whether the chamber is empty. An ordinary person can assess his level of risk and most of the weapons in the joint are on display. Moreover, I believe fewer people would carry if they had to carry openly because they're embarrassed to go out in public toting their toys. Besides if you carried openly think of all the guns you could buy as accessories to your outfits.

[GroobySteven]

My Gods. Where would I ever begin?!

You and I argue enough. I'll let Kaiti field this one.

~BB~

There is nothing to argue about - I stated my piece.