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07-20-2012 #1951
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Citation please. Or should I engage in unsupported declaratives as well? Na... I'll hold off.
So why not call yourself a conservative? It's worth nothing that anyone having paid attention to the political scene in this country over the years will observe that while the modern Republican party has it's roots in conservatism... it has strayed... plenty... it is still the closest thing we have in the arena today.
Am I saying "Vote Republican! (and nothing else)"? ... no... I am simply pointing to general leanings of voters in this country... and with the Tea Party... a bit more on that later.
You said it yourself... and I quote:
You declared yourself to be against the existence of, or civilian possession of a specific configuration of piece (or several) of steal and plastic (or wood)… a configuration of steal and plastic (or wood) which is able to project a peace of lead and/or copper a high speed in a given direction, a piece of steal and plastic (or wood) which enables an individual an important mechanism (but not the only one) to protect themselves and those they are responsible for.
Note... you didn't say "I believe in common sense regulation of firearms" or even "I think only the police and military should be able to own firearms"… you said and I quote: "I'm anti-gun"
Know what the difference between you and an anti-same-sex marriage person is? The target of their dislike/bigotry can at least respond with words. You on the other hand are bigoted against an intimate object.
"Nyeh! I dislike dirt! Dirt is icky and dirty!"
You spoke of racism in your previous post... of which there are generally two kinds... explicit "Nyeh, <insert color of skin here> should hang/be killed/not permitted to work/not let into this country/are inferior"... and implicit racism "Criticizing the first black President is racist!", "Recent studies show that whenever a case comes up where a white man kills a black man... all those siding with the white man are obviously racist... because a number of commentators say so"... or other such nonsense where you have to stretch to create a perceived 'racist' basis... something you failed here in.
Why did I bring in my son? Because one can stretch the same ways as you did to label a one month old baby a racist.
Wait... I just took a recent look at him, he fingers were next to his eyes and stretching them wider... obviously he's racist against Asians!
"Nyeh! He thinks that voters should be required to show ID... he's obviously a racist because no non-white people have government issued ID cards!"
That would depend on where you define 'the middle' as... as is often the case... lefties view most non-lefties as 'extreme right-wing'... while many 'right wingers' see non 'right wingers' as 'extreme-left wingers'... and of course all place themselves in the center (see what you did above "I'm lefty on this, righty on this").
I am... we took back the House of Representatives in 2010... and just you wait until we do in 2012. It has begun... .
Hrm... it's way past my bed time... so I think I'll be off to bed now...
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07-20-2012 #1952
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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07-20-2012 #1953
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Last edited by Willie Escalade; 07-20-2012 at 11:32 AM. Reason: No, I HAVEN'T seen the new Batman movie. Stop asking me that!
William Escalade is no more. He's done his service to the site.
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07-20-2012 #1954
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
A conservative where I am from, is different to the stereotype of the American convervative.
That's seriously your argument? Using semantics against my statement about being "anti-gun" as I didn't elaborate on the use of the gun? Pathetic and not worth a discussion.
That's not what I stated. I was displaying those who have a horse in this race and the ones who creating the most issues. Again, using semantics and elaborating on the way I expressed myself to create a smokescreen.
How?
Yes.
You're mental. Seriously, the Tea Party? It's a joke right?
Do you beleive in Darwin's The Fact of Evolution? The way you argue reminds me of the zealots who dispute that?
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07-20-2012 #1955
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
I think you spelled it right actually. I was just trying to be funny. But in all seriousness. I only support guns so that people can protect themselves from people who do this sort of thing and for the people to be able to protect themselves from the government if ever need be.
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07-20-2012 #1956
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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07-20-2012 #1957
now zimmerman claims trayvon was skipping & not running away from him.
now zimmerman claims trayvon was skipping & not running away from him.
he also claims he was not following trayvon.
the DA says that zimmermans story is changing as he tells it
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/justic...iew/index.html
http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html
Last edited by natina; 07-20-2012 at 01:14 PM.
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07-20-2012 #1958
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
You are showing how the concept of Liberty and the concept of self-defence are in conflict. In the matter of Liberty, it doesn't mean you can do what you want when you want to. Jefferson, in the "Declaration of The Rights of Man and The Citizen" says: "Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law." (My emphasis).
As Americans you have to decide if the concept of 'Stand your Ground' in Florida is a reasonable extension of the concept of self-defence, or a contradiction of the concept of liberty. If the concept of liberty is a shared value in the USA, it does suggest that waving a gun in someone's face -as well as pulling the trigger- is UnAmerican.
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07-20-2012 #1959
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
One might argue (indeed pro-carry advocates do) that each of us has a legitimate expectation of security. That is one of the reasons behind the establishment of police forces and one of the reasons a gun owner will give for wanting to carry in public. If so, if we do have a legitimate expectation of a certain degree of security, then consider how safe you are sitting in a bar or restaurant full of armed patrons; especially when their weapons are concealed and you can't tell if the handbag on the table near yours has a gun in it pointing toward your family. Certainly the probability of accident or deliberate harm increases with the number of concealed firearms in the establishment. Stavropol is right. We need to find the proper balance between our various liberties. To my mind concealed carry infringes on my freedom of movement by diminishing my expectation of a secure public space.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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07-20-2012 #1960
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
There is no security, only opportunity-MacArthur
People build walls around their stupidity like believing a guy walking home from the store MUST be guilty of something, or believing we have to get tough on China when half the stuff we buy at Walmart comes from there, and we have to get tough on the Middle East when Exxon gets half it's oil there, and we have to get tough on Wall St, by voting for Romney!!!! oh, and sucking dicks is for homos, unless it's hanging off a pretty face. Tora Tora Tora!!!!!
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