17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[bobvela]

It's amazing how many right wing nuts are on a tranny forum.

So... I'm a right wing nut?

[AmyDaly]

Lol what is your problem? You really are a condescending fat child... No one attacked you sweetie, so whatever you have against me let it go!

Hey Nicolet, you seem to get awfully mad very easily. Just because I call you out when you are wrong on a message board doesn't mean you need to respond with personal insults. As you can see, I have pretty much refrained from them. You have a lot of issues that you need to work out. You stoop to the level of insulting other girls looks, voices, ect...when you have no intelligent defenses to your claims and opinions. You need to chill out and not take things so personal. You have a lot of personal information all around the internet and these message boards can take a turn for the worse sometimes when you get as angry and personal as you do.

TL;DR: You mad.

[natina]

I posted the affidavit that is a factual document.
its supported by facts

Girlfriend: Trayvon Martin was followed

WPLG/CNN|Added on March 21, 2012Trayvon's girlfriend: the neighborhood watch captain accused of shooting Martin was following him, might have pushed him.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...phone.wplg-cnn


ARGUMENT FOR NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE
Detective faulted George Zimmerman for not avoiding confrontation with Trayvon Martin.



Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman missed two opportunities to try to peacefully approach Trayvon Martin before he fatally shot the unarmed teenager, according to an investigator's report released Tuesday.

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern," investigator Chris Serino wrote in an arrest warrant affidavit.

The affidavit was filed more than two weeks after the shooting when the Sanford Police Department was being criticized for not having arrested Zimmerman. Serino's March 13 affidavit recommended Zimmerman be picked up for manslaughter, but a special prosecutor assigned to take over the case upped the charge to second-degree murder.

The documents released Tuesday are part of the public pre-trial records filed in the criminal case.

Zimmerman, 28, maintains he feared for his life and shot Martin in self-defense under Florida's "stand your ground law." He said he fired the fatal shot only after being ambushed and brutally attacked by the 17-year-old.

The deadly encounter occurred in a gated Sanford, Fla., neighborhood where Zimmerman lived and Martin was staying with a family friend. Zimmerman called 911 to report Martin as a suspicious person walking through the area. He told the operator Martin was "up to no good" and "has his hand in his waist band."

In the report released Tuesday, police say Zimmerman contradicted himself by saying that he was initially fearful of Martin but later got out of his vehicle and followed after the teen.

"His actions are inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject," Serino wrote.

The Orlando Sentinel reported Tuesday afternoon that Serino, Sanford's lead investigator on the case, has been granted a request to move from detective work to patrol duty.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...192523670.html

natina, you too prove what happens when one only reads selective sources but doesn't think for themselves.



No one is saying he had no right to defend himself... however that right (like what Mr Zimmerman also had) does have limits.

During the time that Mr Zimmerman was pursuing Mr Martin... a good argument can be made for Mr Martin's right to defend himself... however if you consider my above link, suggesting that Mr Martin may have doubled back... the moment he turned around and approached Mr Zimmerman... his right to self-defense quickly goes away as he becomes an initiator.

Many like to say about Mr Zimmerman: "he should have stayed in his truck"... however if Mr Martin did double back... then a similar argument can be made: "he should have kept running home".




Present a specifc and quotable transcript or document or withdraw your worthless 'evidence'... doubly so when clicking on the link says "The requested video is not available.

Don't tell me you are using out of date sources?!?!!?



I've read it. What part do you wish to call attention to?



Again... I am looking for specific evidence from you that that happened. Don't just link me to an article, cite a specific FACT from something that said that Mr Zimmerman said "Hey boy, come over here... I think you are breaking the law... and even if you aren't... you're black so I want to shoot you!"

Could/did that happen? Perhaps... only you do not have the facts to support your claim that that unequivocally did happen.



And I get out of my vehicle most days carrying a loaded 38... so what? Both Mr Zimmerman and I have permits to legally carry.

Now... you expand upon your copy and pasted 'argument' by saying that Mr Martin was a minor (irrelevant) who was doing nothing illegal (says you, but at the time he was looking suspicious to Mr Zimmerman (he must be a racist!!!))... and who was running away from Mr Zimmerman.

You will please recall from the 911 transcript that Mr Martin approached Mr Zimmerman’s vehicle... then ran. “Nyeh! Trayvon started it! He approced the racist Zimmerman first!”

Was Mr Martin doing anything illegal? We don't know... but it seems not. Was Mr Zimmerman? With the exception of the second-degree murder charge... it seems not as well.

More so... funny how you ignore a quote in that video which proceeds the one you transcribed:

"Its possible that the defense will be able to use this to indicate that Trayvon Martin was in some ways the aggressor. And if he was the aggressor, then of course their story will be that George Zimmerman was defending himself and which case he would be covered by stand your ground immunity"

Note I’ve ignored the continued copy and paste jobs you added after your initial post as more irrelevance.

[natina]

who believes zimmermans account?

not many people only faux news views


NEW EVIDENCE AND VIDEO
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/justic...iew/index.html

[EvonRose]

Hey Nicolet, you seem to get awfully mad very easily. Just because I call you out when you are wrong on a message board doesn't mean you need to respond with personal insults. As you can see, I have pretty much refrained from them. You have a lot of issues that you need to work out. You stoop to the level of insulting other girls looks, voices, ect...when you have no intelligent defenses to your claims and opinions. You need to chill out and not take things so personal. You have a lot of personal information all around the internet and these message boards can take a turn for the worse sometimes when you get as angry and personal as you do. TL;DR: You mad.

I have one major personal business IF it gets out it will not affect me tough I hope it does not.

A little advice of maturity, if you don't like a person you don't say condescending things to them. If not then be ready for what they got to say to you. Maybe you shouldn't take my mistakes too seriously that you make it your life to call me out on it. Your not perfect sweetie! So if I make a mistake, then let me apologize for it as I did below, I really don't need you to chastise me on things we all do. Don't be mad for something you started and kept pulling Amy.

Like i said whatever it is you have against me ( I have not don't anything to you) Then let it fucking go!

[AmyDaly]

I have one major personal business IF it gets out it will not affect me tough I hope it does not.

A little advice of maturity, if you don't like a person you don't say condescending things to them. If not then be ready for what they got to say to you. Maybe you shouldn't take my mistakes too seriously that you make it your life to call me out on it. Your not perfect sweetie! So if I make a mistake, then let me apologize for it as I did below, I really don't need you to chastise me on things we all do. Don't be mad for something you started and kept pulling Amy.

Like i said whatever it is you have against me ( I have not don't anything to you) Then let it fucking go!

I'm sorry, but I enjoy pointing out people's inaccuracies and hypocrisies. If you enjoy insulting peoples looks, and voices, and calling people drag queens, then I guess that is what you like to do. But when you are debating a topic about something and someone says something that is inaccurate, it is ok to tell them where they are wrong and point out where. You can always ignore me if you don't like reading what I have to say. But it no reason to start calling me names and insulting me unless I have done so to you, which I haven't. I will not stop pointing out yours or anyone elses incorrect statements because there is nothing wrong with that. If you want to argue back and point out where I am wrong, please do. I like to learn. If you want to get personal because being told you are wrong on the internet hurts your feelings, then fine, go ahead. Seanchai's been banning drama starters lately.

[bobvela]

I posted the affidavit that is a factual document.
its supported by facts

No... you linked to it... then copied and pasted from multiple sources without providing context, commentary or insights. A smart computer program could do what you have been doing... and still be more comprehensive and coherent than anything you've said in this thread.

[EvonRose]

I'm sorry, but I enjoy pointing out people's inaccuracies and hypocrisies. If you enjoy insulting peoples looks, and voices, and calling people drag queens, then I guess that is what you like to do. But when you are debating a topic about something and someone says something that is inaccurate, it is ok to tell them where they are wrong and point out where. You can always ignore me if you don't like reading what I have to say. But it no reason to start calling me names and insulting me unless I have done so to you, which I haven't. I will not stop pointing out yours or anyone elses incorrect statements because there is nothing wrong with that. If you want to argue back and point out where I am wrong, please do. I like to learn. If you want to get personal because being told you are wrong on the internet hurts your feelings, then fine, go ahead.

Well then you got issues Amy. lol I'm sorry for you....It's not that you pointed out my mistake, you could have done it in a mature manner like what the other guy did and I happily corrected my mistake. You are condescending and girl you know it, you have been since the very beginning with me. The rule applies to you to! If you don't want to hear me make mistakes, and to call you a pot belly pig, then ignore me too! I mean the truth hurts right?

[AmyDaly]

Well then you got issues Amy. lol I'm sorry for you....It's not that you pointed out my mistake, you could have done it in a mature manner like what the other guy did and I happily corrected my mistake. You are condescending and girl you know it, you have been since the very beginning with me. The rule applies to you to! If you don't want to hear me make mistakes, and to call you a pot belly pig, then ignore me too! I mean the truth hurts right?

I'm autistic. It's what we do. Go cry to your family about it Oh wait...

[GroobySteven]

I think its amazing how this has turned in to a liberal vs conservative or right vs left wing thing. It just goes to show how the media and government likes to use these social issues to turn people against each other. I also don't believe that just because you think one way or the other about this situation that it makes you right or left wing.

I think it does. Most gun nuts are to the right with anti-gun to the left and at the base of it, this is what this argument is about. Mix in the racism, the outraged white at another black man getting killed, the outraged white at not being able to kill a black man for wearing a hood and the outraged blacks looking for a cause then the issue of right wing versus left wing, certainly comes into it.
I'm anti-gun, I'm liberal in everything but fiscal and I believe that most people who are actively supporting Zimmerman and what to use the law to support him, are right-wing, gunloving fuckwits.