17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[natina]

I knew about that ABOVE.

different subject below

I HAVE A RECORDING OF THIS INCIDENT

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS RUNNING AFTER TRAYVON MARTIN WHILE TRAYVON IS RUNNING AWAY BECAUSE SOME UNKNOWN OLDER MALE IS FOLLOWING/STALKING/PURSUING HIM FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON.

this is evidence any have not heard and will boost the prosecutions case

[yourdaddy]

I knew about that ABOVE.

different subject below

I HAVE A RECORDING OF THIS INCIDENT

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS RUNNING AFTER TRAYVON MARTIN WHILE TRAYVON IS RUNNING AWAY BECAUSE SOME UNKNOWN OLDER MALE IS FOLLOWING/STALKING/PURSUING HIM FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON.

this is evidence any have not heard and will boost the prosecutions case

You sound almost as dumb as trayvon was.

[yodajazz]

You sound almost as dumb as trayvon was.

Until there is a more official version of this story, I see you as the dumb one. Trayvonn had never been charged with a crime. Nor was there ever any evidence, that he was even contemplating the crime, for which he was pursued. Even if he had smoked weed, for which there is no direct evidence, tens of millions of Americans have admitted doing this. Zimmerman, bears some responsibility in the death. The only question is how much? Do you consider it wise to follow someone at night, while armed? It is reasonable to think that, an average person, seeing someone follow them in the night, would be fearful. Thus whatever Trayvonn's actions were, they could have been within the bounds of reasonable action. So assuming the Trayvonn's actions were stupid, also implies other things, such as certain races of people are stupid. I know that you did not state this directly, but it is implied.

Still, I support your right to free speech. This case raises some important issues, and all sides are needed make progress from this tragedy.

[natina]

trayvon was a bright kid


zimmerman was a time bomb waiting to go off.

a DA'S pain in the ass as describe by DA Papantonio and TIM WISE

Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder


ZIMMERMAN WAS GOING TO GET CHARGE WITH MURDER ONE CAUSE THE DA was sending it to the grand jury

Zimmerman psychologically wanna be cop profile; He’s like so many other utterly unaccomplished males who fantasize about being a badass law officer, meting out justice to the ne’er-do-wells.

Trayvon Martin, White Denial and the Unacceptable Burden of Blackness in America

By now, you probably know the shameful details, but they are worth repeating, in any event.
On the evening of February 26, George Zimmerman, a self-appointed “neighborhood watch captain” in an Orlando suburb, shot and killed 17-year old Trayvon Martin.
Because Martin was black.
And no, don’t even think of rolling your eyes at the suggestion. That is what happened, just as surely as so many might well be loathe to admit it.
Oh sure, he denies such a motivation, as does his family, but the details of the incident, now emerging from that evening leave very little question about it.
This was not, as we too often hear in the wake of such incidents, “a tragedy.”
This was not, as some would have it, “a terrible accident.”
It was murder, plain and simple. And it would be called such by everyone in a nation that had any commitment to honest language, which, sadly, would pretty much rule out the one in which Martin’s life began and ended, and in which Zimmerman continues to operate as a free man, unarrested by the police.
Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman believed his neighborhood needed and deserved to be protected from young black men, who could not possibly belong there, in his estimation. Never mind that Martin was in the community with his father, visiting friends. Never mind that Martin was armed only with Skittles and iced tea, while Zimmerman carried a loaded weapon.
Zimmerman, who has a history of aggressive behavior (including assaulting an officer a few years ago), appears to have something of a Dirty Harry syndrome about him. He is someone described by his own neighbors as overzealous,.....

http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...ss-in-america/

You sound almost as smart as trayvon was and zimmerman was not.

[natina]

you can not shoot a gun in a fist fight

thats how you go to jail

[bobvela]

you can not shoot a gun in a fist fight

thats how you go to jail

Who says? Only a fool shows up to any fight armed less well than their opponent... just ask the police, military, or even Spider Man in the new previews ("Oh no! You found my weakness, small knives!").

More so... had a gun not been involved, the situation would be very different right now, reversed in fact.

Let's remove the gun from the situation... let's say George Zimmerman was unarmed that night and still decided to pursue Trayvon Martin.

"Nyeh, without a gun Zimmerman wouldn't have had the balls to stalk that poor, unarmed, helpless child."

...bear with me for a moment.

Assuming an unarmed Zimmerman had followed Martin... and Martin reacted as it seems he did, beating the %#(&% out of Zimmerman... then what?

If Martin were to be caught by the police, he would be charged with aggravated assault... and likely just become yet another incarcerated black youth... I wonder if Al Sharpton would have lead a march in that case.

While a 'stand your ground' argument *might* be able to be made for Martins actions... the repeated assault (described by one witness as "MMA style punching"* as I recall) goes well beyond simply defending one's self.

But isn't a gun the same? Nope. A punch is not unlike a stab... or a gunshot... each is a single act and each additional instance carries additional risks, even if the likelihood of successfully removing the thread of force increases.

While multiple punches may remove the threat of an attacker... a line can be quickly crossed into the realm of assault... while just a single gunshot is usually enough to remove the threat (note Zimmerman only fired his weapon once).

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Zimmerman is going to walk... and in all likelihood during the pre-trial part where his side has the chance to prove his self-defense argument. Know what the burden of proof is to prove self-defense? Preponderance of the evidence (ie 50.00001% that the proposition is true)... vs beyond a reasonable doubt... which the prosecution would have to prove during the criminal trial.

*BTW... before you again play the "Nyeh, witnesses are changing their story"... ask yourself... will such a change help or hurt the prosecution?

The correct answer... hurt, quite significantly in fact as it would render moot anything the witness has to say. Why? Because they have demonstrated themselves to be unreliable... even if what they are now saying is 100% factual and beneficial to the prosecution.

[giovanni_hotel]

The only injuries Zimmerman had from getting his ass kicked were cuts to the back of his head. I don't buy for a minute a 158# teen is capable of inflicting grievous injuries or death with only his fists.
Has anyone ever seen someone take blows to the face in real street fight before??



This is Zimmerman's photo taken the night of the murder at the Sanford police station.





Which photo doesn't belong??

Eyewitness testimony only matters when it's been given UNDER OATH. If you contradict your previous statement in court, then your credibility takes a hit. If you change the story you gave to a cop or a reporter, it doesn't matter until you do it before a judge.

I had someone give me this scenario in regards to this case for the victim challenged; imagine Zimmerman kept following Travyon back to his father's GF's condo, except none of them were home. Trayvon goes inside and Zimmerman immediately follows him before he can close the front door, assuming that Martin had just broken into someone's residence. Confrontation, altercation, dead teenager. All because Zimmerman wrongly assumed Trayvon had just broken into someone's domicile.


Who would have the right to claim self defense in that scenario?? If you're allowed to whip a stranger's ass for illegally following you into a residence where you're staying, IMO the SYG law holds the same right of self defense for a teen who's being followed by an unknown stranger in his SUV who gets out of his vehicle and chases him down on foot.

For instance, if Zimmerman had stopped his SUV and never gotten out, and Trayvon turned around, walked back to the car window and asked George, 'what the fuck are you following me for?', then suddenly tried to open the door to Zimmerman's car and ended up getting shot dead, that would be fucked up but a more plausible claim of self defense.

THis case IMO won't be dismissed before the trial. The state special prosecutor for the state of Florida has aspirations for the governorship, and I don't think she even takes this case on unless she thinks she can convict Zimmerman on 2nd degree murder/manslaughter.

[trish]

If Zimmerman hadn't had a gun that night two people would've would've have left the scene with their lives instead of one. You're an stupid idiot to be claiming that's a worse scenario than what actually happened. Guns are designed to kill. You carry one at every body else's risk.

[Queens Guy]

I knew about that ABOVE.

different subject below

I HAVE A RECORDING OF THIS INCIDENT

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS RUNNING AFTER TRAYVON MARTIN WHILE TRAYVON IS RUNNING AWAY BECAUSE SOME UNKNOWN OLDER MALE IS FOLLOWING/STALKING/PURSUING HIM FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON.

this is evidence any have not heard and will boost the prosecutions case

Natina,

You have a recording of it? Like an audio recording?

I think this case will turn on what happened after Zimmerman did after he ended his 911 call. His girlfriend gave her statement. But, she's an interested party. If Trayvon had called 911 and it was recorded, or he reached his girlfriend's voicemail and it was recorded, that would be much stronger evidence.

I'd love to know more about this recording you are talking about. Is there a link to any article discussing this recording? Please post it.

[hard4janira]

trayvon was a bright kid

Please stop. He was anything but a 'bright' kid. Maybe by today's lowly US standards he was bright, but then againg we aren't even in the top 20 countries in education anymore. Trayvon was a doofus and a pedestrian student AT BEST.

zimmerman was a time bomb waiting to go off.

Hyperbole. Makes for good message board fodder though.

Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder

Absurd and you know it.

http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...ss-in-america/

The 'burden' of blackness? Are you shitting me? Is this burden the reason half of you act like escaped zoo animals with no regard for the law or other people? Ok, half might be a bit much but you people need to grow the fuck up and take a long look in the mirror. Sorry, truth hurts.