17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[hard4janira]

Sorry James - your remarks about the jews etc are just plain bonkers. End of my brief conversation with you.

If you have the stomach (and/or time) to go back and read his posts you will find that he blames immigrants for the deterioration of black communites (I thought legal immigration was supposed to be a good thing). He also takes a cheap shot at Asian food as being nasty and unhealthy (this came out of left field BTW). He also insists that he can't be a racist because he's black (and he loves to argue semantics so watch out).

James is a poster child for black paranoia and insecurity. A veritable poster child. No mention of accoutability. No mention of personal responsibility. Just a laundry list of accusations against the establishment, immigrants, white people, the government, the courts....Most people in the black community probably feel this way so what can you do? Nothing. Nothing is going to change - he won't chagne my mind and I won't change his.

You can sum up my fellings thusly:

I find it loathsome and hypocritical that people in the black community insisnt on convicting Zimmerman of a hate crime when they refuse to hold themselves accountable to the same standards. The two USC grad students (and the white man in Sanford, FL who was beat almost to death with a hammer by two black youths a week after the Zimmerman case came to light) are examples. It is complete and utter hypocrisy.




I believe (honestly) that many black people are fueled by anger and hatred (yes hatred) towards other races and this is why they are violent towards them. The mere fact that a black person hasn't been convicted of a hate crime (to my knowledge) is just proof of what a completey absurd law it is. It is nothing more than a political weapon put in place by liberal dick-suckers to chip away at the establishemnt. The law has nothing at all to do with justice, for if it did black people would ROUTINELY be convicted of hate crimes.

[jamesedwards]

Let me drop some science on you who want it.

Right now in NYC and other inner cities, police are asked to fill a quota to help get young African descent youth, mainly males into the system even if it's temporary, and this really ends up to violate civil rights.

Example. Lets say 5 years are walking with their pants sagging at night and cops roll by, cops will ask the youth a dumb ass agitated question because they know how to mess with the Psyche of youth. A youth, all they got to do is say WHAT THE FUCK and the cops jump out of the car and frisk them for weapons and so forth. Youth don't know their rights and so rights are violated all the times in those cases. The cops want it to escalate in to some thing bigger. Then they take the youth down to be finger printed, and run them through the system, but they never go to jail. That's it, the job was done. I know you say "JAMES FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT".

FINGER PRINTING!!! At a certain point the United States want everyone's prints in the system, this is one way they do it. You catch them at their youth and they just want their finger prints because they have in their minds these youths will commit a crime and we will already have their prints and can shut down having alias names.

Another way they do it which is super slick, VOLUNTARY FINGER PRINTING!!! At a bank or large super market wherever business flows in African descent areas, because I never seen this set up in Caucasian dominant areas, but we will use a bank for example.

At a bank a Caucasian woman, not men because the woman is emotionally attached to children naturally, they will use a woman. And yes this is racial because African descent people is not going to just do this with another African American, they already tested that out and it doesn't work.
She will stand outside the bank with a table and a bunch of free stuffed toys that children love. A parent with the child is the primary target but they go after teenagers and adults also if they think they can get them. and I will tell you a funny story with me how I found out.
So an African man or woman with their young child from 3 on up to 7 comes to the bank and when they come the woman will wave the stuffed animal toy, so what you think the first thing will happen? The child reaches, BAMMMMMMMMM GOTCHA!!!

So the woman says "THIS IS A FREE TOY FOR THE CHILD AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR FINGER PRINTS DONE ALSO TO HELP PROTECT YOUR CHILD AGAINST PREDATORS AND CHILD MOLESTERS ETC BULLSHIT", they will run on you. Not thinking consciously, the parent is moved on the emotions of the child takes their babies and voluntary gives these people their finger prints, and now you're child is in the dam system VOLUNTARILY!!! If some thing were to happen to your child in like 18 years with law enforcement or anything they will be able to tell you they have your child prints and you will sit there like "HOW IN THE FUCK ", think back to when your child was 4 and you volunteered their finger prints.
Then they will ask the parent do they want it also, some will say yes and some will say no, but their target was the child and they did their job.

Now here is the funny story with me. I am going into the bank, as I approach, I am seeing the lady roll the child fingers in print like a cop would do a suspect. So she gives the child the stuff toy, and I am observing this but I didn't catch on. So I go back to the same bank the next day and who do I see, the same dame woman doing the same thing now she have two African descent women with their children doing this finger printing shit. So I walk a little slower and watching it go down and the children giggling and the parents all hyped they getting some thing for free for the children. so I just stood there in the corner watching playing with my cell like I am making a call. So another African Descent woman comes then a Hispanic woman comes and she gets them, she is catching them like white on rice, now she has a line, you would think this woman was a cop finger printing people. So I am baffled about what the hell is going on. So I go in the bank handle my business but now I am conscious about what is going on, being I worked in law I go home and start calling my peeps about finger printing. So I talk to about 4 attorneys and I ask them is it against the law to take people's finger prints and they all said the same thing "NOT IF IT'S VOLUNTARY". BAMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

That's how she was getting them voluntary. Because a person can not take your finger prints that's like taking your ATM card without your permission, if you give them permission then you just gave your shit over to the system willingly. So I got to the back I think 2 days in a row the woman wasn't there. So I go on a Saturday with out thinking about her and guess who was out there, FINGER PRINT LADY lol that's what I called her. She had a couple of people, smiling and all bubbly and shit, and she had the audacity to ask MUUUUUUUUUUUWAH!!!LOL Why did she do that shit. After all the research I did on it and everything. So I told her I would be out, because the bank close early on Sat and I didn't wanna get caught out there, so when I came out she had a crack line lol and I just stood there. At this point I was getting angry because she was doing a job and she might and might not know what she is doing.

So she got to me and there were two mothers behind me with their children that came out the bank because she wanted to get them. So I was fucking with her and said "OH SO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU MY FINGER PRINTS, WHY "? She said "IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION AND PRECAUTIONS OF ANYTHING THAT MAY HAPPEN TO YOU". See I peeped her shit she tell the parents some thing totally different than what she tell grown ups, about child molesters, missing children yada yada bullshit.

So I asked in a humorous way because I am now stalling on purpose so the women behind me won't sign up. so I asked "DON'T I GET A STUFFY WUFFY TOO?" the women laughed and she laughed, then she said "NO THOSE ARE FOR THE CHILDREN BUT IF YOU LIKE YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR A 10 DOLLAR GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR WALMART" I think it was Walmart, not sure, but anyway she said that, and I made another joke laughing "HEY JUST 10 DOLLARS CAN I GET 2 WHAT AM I GOING TO BUY IN WALMART FOR 10 DOLLARS?" so we laughed again. Then I said "SO YOU WANT ME TO JUST SIGN AND HAND YOU OVER MY FINGER PRINTS VOLUNTARILY RIGHT"? She had this look on her face like she was about to be busted, she don't want you to ask any questions to the finger printing so now I know that she knows what she is doing. I told her that by taking my finger prints they could be used for future processing and that it's against the law for someone to have my finger prints but it's not if a person volunteers their finger prints and I didn't know her and I couldn't trust her with my prints just like I wouldn't trust her with my social security numbers. I asked her "HAVE YOU DONE THIS ON YOURSELF?...OH OF COURSE YOU HAVE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO DO THIS JOB YOU HAVE TO BE FINGER PRINTED IN CASE SOME THING GOES WRONG". She was not smiling and the women behind me were attentive, and I told her, "YOU'RE IN AN African american community getting free prints where all these people will be in the police system and they have committed no crime, and I would like your name and I am going to report this to the borough president about this matter because it's not right". I put her ass on the spot, because if she didn't want to give me her name then it was definitely a super scam, she she nervously gave me her name and I went inside the bank and talked to the manager, to tell them this was wrong, the African descent manager even agreed.
So I told the African descent women that were there don't sign up and put your child through that and it's not right and this can be banned. So they didn't do it, she still tried and I stood outside telling parents not to do it for about 30 minutes and the manager came out. She told she knew what I was doing and I should do what I said, so I did and got to the borough president and got that shit shut down. Now she's not out there, but I know there are more out there and it's a shame that my people have to be racially profile for future purposes.

[Stavros]

Race is a concept that was developed in order to categorise people in order to rank them in terms of quality, so there are no prizes for guessing who gets top spot and what the people at the other end of the scale look like. Ivan Hannaford has looked at the rich history of this concept, from a time when it did not exist, from a time when it meant something different from what it is today, and in all cases, something made up by humans with the assumption of 'scientific' rigour.

Race as 'science' was discredited as a consequence of its application in the Third Reich and for the obvious reasons. Race continues to be applied with dismal results, as anyone familiar with the claims of the controversial psychiatrist, HK Eysenck will know, where intelligence is claimed to be determined by race, which enables certain people to be ranked as Highly Intelligent, and others as being not very intelligent, and I don't need to say more about it.

Racism has become a convenient tag for people too lazy to think through the concept and realise that any so-called 'system' that classifies human beings according to the shape of their eyes, the width of their lips, the colour of their skin, the fruit of their brains, or whatever else is claimed, is an invitation to discrimination, which is the key agency at work and the most insidious if fatally human reaction that societies have to people they class as 'outsiders'.

Read Frank Snowden's wonderful history Naples in the Time of Cholera, and there is a chapter on cholera in Puglia, where at one time it was known as lo zingaro -'the gypsy' because Italians believed diseases were imported from outside their towns by wandering Gypsies -with all the ramifications for discrimination and violence that entails.

The argument that 'most Jews' of the modern world are descended from the Khazar who were converted to Judaism was discussed in Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. The argument is frankly irrelevent to the Jewish experience in the modern world. The cardinal point is that anyone can be a Jew, by conversion, many have become so; others have become Jews through marriage, while Jews have, like many other people, migrated across the globe so that there are Latin Jews in South America, Chinese Jews in China, and Black Jews in Africa. Many Jews remained in the 'Holy Land' after Jerusalem ws destroyed by the Romans, many migrated to other parts of the Middle East and still live there today (for example, in Iran). Those who isolate Jews as if there was some inherent flaw in the narrative of their origins and development usually have a motive for highlighting it to prevent Jews from, say, occupying Palestinian territory. The same argument that says Black people do not 'belong' here, wherever here is; the same argument that says 'Muslims' do not belong in Britain.

The Jewish claim on Palestinian territory is political, not religious; the discrimination against Black people in the USA was, and has been political, not racial; the discirmination against the Roma in Italy is political, not racial; the discrimination against the Muslims in Bosnia by 'Orthodox' Serbs was political, not racial.

Let us put this tired, meaningless concept to bed and let it sleep forever, with the fishes.

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[jamesedwards]

You are a lunatic!!! I did not blame immigrants for the destruction of African descent communities. That's another tactic that is used on a person like me that was used on Malcolm X, Martin L. King, Medgar Edvers, Marcus Garvey and the likes, CALLING US INSANE, PARANOID etc. I said the destruction of African descent communities came when Martin L. King signed that civil rights agreement with Linden B. Johnson and we lost African descent own businesses, family strength deteriorated etc. If you're going to quote me quote me right!!!

I said my community lack our own businesses and the dollar is passed through only once while other communities their dollar goes through it at least 4 times. In the African american community when we get money it leaves right out of our hands and back into someone else hands. I also said you won't see African descent employees in Chinese or Korean restaurants yet they are over flowed in our community taking our money, why can't we have our own stores in our own community everyone else is doing it? and I broke it down there is racism being practice here on conjunction of it. That's what I said, you want to GENERALIZED it and say I said ALL IMMIGRANTS when I told you before I am not talking about all immigrants and I was giving you an example of the Chinese shops in my hood oppose to other hoods. Now he doesn't have to go back and read but if he was to he would see that you're a dam liar!!! and I even said Arabs hire African descent people, Italians, Hispanics etc, so how the fuck can you sit here and say IMMIGRANTS as a general?

You are so crazy you go and throw up a pic of Trayvon putting up a middle finger, so are you saying just because he did that he should be dead ? how many times have you thrown up your middle finger at some one? Go on face book or twitter and you will see thousands of teens doing it from Asian to Caucasian to African descent people, do they deserve to die? Get the hell outta here.

You are fucking insane!!!

If you have the stomach (and/or time) to go back and read his posts you will find that he blames immigrants for the deterioration of black communites (I thought legal immigration was supposed to be a good thing). He also takes a cheap shot at Asian food as being nasty and unhealthy (this came out of left field BTW). He also insists that he can't be a racist because he's black (and he loves to argue semantics so watch out).

James is a poster child for black paranoia and insecurity. A veritable poster child. No mention of accoutability. No mention of personal responsibility. Just a laundry list of accusations against the establishment, immigrants, white people, the government, the courts....Most people in the black community probably feel this way so what can you do? Nothing. Nothing is going to change - he won't chagne my mind and I won't change his.

You can sum up my fellings thusly:

I find it loathsome and hypocritical that people in the black community insisnt on convicting Zimmerman of a hate crime when they refuse to hold themselves accountable to the same standards. The two USC grad students (and the white man in Sanford, FL who was beat almost to death with a hammer by two black youths a week after the Zimmerman case came to light) are examples. It is complete and utter hypocrisy.




I believe (honestly) that many black people are fueled by anger and hatred (yes hatred) towards other races and this is why they are violent towards them. The mere fact that a black person hasn't been convicted of a hate crime (to my knowledge) is just proof of what a completey absurd law it is. It is nothing more than a political weapon put in place by liberal dick-suckers to chip away at the establishemnt. The law has nothing at all to do with justice, for if it did black people would ROUTINELY be convicted of hate crimes.

[jamesedwards]

Hummmm let me take a guess who takes the top spot in America, that would be Caucasians right? LOL

The whole Khazar convo, can be proven and also Hebrew Israelite Jew thingy also. I could really go into how the so called Jews run the media and of course they are going to go against the where they really come from, but that will be over soon because Khazar is being dug up, and the original Jews are from Africa, the Beni Israel and Falasha Jews, and Jew is a new term the original term is Hebrew Israelite. See when they start changing names people are confused on what's real. Not me and other scholars and academics on a scholastic level. To be a Hebrew is a bloodline is not a religion. You can't convert to a bloodline, you can't have A group people and then B Group people try to say they are from the A Group people's bloodline. They are converted not the original Jews, and again the Letter J don't even exist in the Hebrew alphabet. But I would love to debate people in public about this, but I won't go on I think I typed enough, but nope I will not agree because of the absolute factual documents, pictures, and books and direct sources I have in my possession on the matter. Funny thing is how did the Caucasian Ashkenazi Converted Jew get control of Israel? They were never there, they were located in Spain and was kicked out, Germany and Poland. Proof is look at the last names of some of these people, example Ethal Rosenberg? People think that's a Jewish name, or Stein etc, those are not Jewish names their origin are from Germany or Poland this is fact!!! A real Hebrew Israelite Jew name would be like Yeshu'a, or Y'sreal, it's not Israel, or Abesaloma etc. smh

Race is a concept that was developed in order to categorise people in order to rank them in terms of quality, so there are no prizes for guessing who gets top spot and what the people at the other end of the scale look like. Ivan Hannaford has looked at the rich history of this concept, from a time when it did not exist, from a time when it meant something different from what it is today, and in all cases, something made up by humans with the assumption of 'scientific' rigour.

Race as 'science' was discredited as a consequence of its application in the Third Reich and for the obvious reasons. Race continues to be applied with dismal results, as anyone familiar with the claims of the controversial psychiatrist, HK Eysenck will know, where intelligence is claimed to be determined by race, which enables certain people to be ranked as Highly Intelligent, and others as being not very intelligent, and I don't need to say more about it.

Racism has become a convenient tag for people too lazy to think through the concept and realise that any so-called 'system' that classifies human beings according to the shape of their eyes, the width of their lips, the colour of their skin, the fruit of their brains, or whatever else is claimed, is an invitation to discrimination, which is the key agency at work and the most insidious if fatally human reaction that societies have to people they class as 'outsiders'.

Read Frank Snowden's wonderful history Naples in the Time of Cholera, and there is a chapter on cholera in Puglia, where at one time it was known as lo zingaro -'the gypsy' because Italians believed diseases were imported from outside their towns by wandering Gypsies -with all the ramifications for discrimination and violence that entails.

The argument that 'most Jews' of the modern world are descended from the Khazar who were converted to Judaism was discussed in Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. The argument is frankly irrelevent to the Jewish experience in the modern world. The cardinal point is that anyone can be a Jew, by conversion, many have become so; others have become Jews through marriage, while Jews have, like many other people, migrated across the globe so that there are Latin Jews in South America, Chinese Jews in China, and Black Jews in Africa. Many Jews remained in the 'Holy Land' after Jerusalem ws destroyed by the Romans, many migrated to other parts of the Middle East and still live there today (for example, in Iran). Those who isolate Jews as if there was some inherent flaw in the narrative of their origins and development usually have a motive for highlighting it to prevent Jews from, say, occupying Palestinian territory. The same argument that says Black people do not 'belong' here, wherever here is; the same argument that says 'Muslims' do not belong in Britain.

The Jewish claim on Palestinian territory is political, not religious; the discrimination against Black people in the USA was, and has been political, not racial; the discirmination against the Roma in Italy is political, not racial; the discrimination against the Muslims in Bosnia by 'Orthodox' Serbs was political, not racial.

Let us put this tired, meaningless concept to bed and let it sleep forever, with the fishes.

Race: The History of an Idea in the West Woodrow Wilson Centre Press: Amazon.co.uk: Ivan Hannaford: Books

[Prospero]

"I could really go into how the so called Jews run the media..."

Ho hum.... i get the picture james.

That Jewish guy Rupert Murdoch for instance.... or the people that own Gannett? or the Hearst Corporation?

[jamesedwards]

"I could really go into how the so called Jews run the media..."

Ho hum.... i get the picture james.

That Jewish guy Rupert Murdoch for instance.... or the people that own Gannett? or the Hearst Corporation?

You mean the so called Jewish guy Rupert Murdoch? If you get the picture no need to ask me a question now is it? hmmmm

[Stavros]

The whole Khazar convo, can be proven and also Hebrew Israelite Jew thingy also. I could really go into how the so called Jews run the media and of course they are going to go against the where they really come from, but that will be over soon because Khazar is being dug up, and the original Jews are from Africa, the Beni Israel and Falasha Jews, and Jew is a new term the original term is Hebrew Israelite. See when they start changing names people are confused on what's real. Not me and other scholars and academics on a scholastic level. To be a Hebrew is a bloodline is not a religion. You can't convert to a bloodline, you can't have A group people and then B Group people try to say they are from the A Group people's bloodline. They are converted not the original Jews, and again the Letter J don't even exist in the Hebrew alphabet. But I would love to debate people in public about this, but I won't go on I think I typed enough, but nope I will not agree because of the absolute factual documents, pictures, and books and direct sources I have in my possession on the matter. Funny thing is how did the Caucasian Ashkenazi Converted Jew get control of Israel? They were never there, they were located in Spain and was kicked out, Germany and Poland. Proof is look at the last names of some of these people, example Ethal Rosenberg? People think that's a Jewish name, or Stein etc, those are not Jewish names their origin are from Germany or Poland this is fact!!! A real Hebrew Israelite Jew name would be like Yeshu'a, or Y'sreal, it's not Israel, or Abesaloma etc. smh

What hysterical nonsense is this? Do some research by all means and tell me -what was Jewish about Walt Disney? -nothing. Rupert Murdoch? No. Who runs the media in China and India, the Jews? No again. Who ran the media in the USSR, the Jews? No. Who owns the Guardian newspaper group in the UK, the Jews? No. The Daily Telegraph? The Jews? No. The BBC -run by Jews? No. I could go on and on, but what's the point? But I will concede on the Jewish Chronicle.

Names change, its not such a big deal -how many Americans arrived in Ellis Island called Szcyzikolowo and became Smith or Schick? Or arrived as Vito Andolini and became Vito Corleone? Japan as we know it is Nippon to them; Finland is Suomi and so on. And, research is also about analysis, looking things up and then weighing their value, one idea against another, one set of evidence against another-you can find all sorts of tripe in print and on the web that makes bold claims -that God created the Black tribe of the Shabazz 60,000 years ago, and so on. Ultimately its the quality of your judgement that matters, and on this issue, I cannot agree with your conclusions, so far.

[Prospero]

Oh I see. You think Murdoch is jewish. What about Walt Disney?

I suggest you'd enjoy a book that spills the beans on the jewish conspiracy that plans to take over the world. The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion. That'd be right up your street. You know of course that Jews murder Christian children to mix their blood in the Matzoh for passover, don't you.

[jamesedwards]

LOL dude wtf are you talking about? I didn't say anything bout china being ran by jews or india LOL how the hell we get from the media in the USA to all these other places? NBC, ABC etc are ran by so called Jews, stay with me dude, stay in AMERICA!!!

Oh name changes is no big deal huh? You have heard of Kunta Kinte right? The name changing process was one of the racist imperial acts done on my people by Caucasian slave owners, it was one of the vices to strip the identity from African people. But let you tell it name changing is not a big deal.

What hysterical nonsense is this? Do some research by all means and tell me -what was Jewish about Walt Disney? -nothing. Rupert Murdoch? No. Who runs the media in China and India, the Jews? No again. Who ran the media in the USSR, the Jews? No. Who owns the Guardian newspaper group in the UK, the Jews? No. The Daily Telegraph? The Jews? No. The BBC -run by Jews? No. I could go on and on, but what's the point? But I will concede on the Jewish Chronicle.

Names change, its not such a big deal -how many Americans arrived in Ellis Island called Szcyzikolowo and became Smith or Schick? Or arrived as Vito Andolini and became Vito Corleone? Japan as we know it is Nippon to them; Finland is Suomi and so on. And, research is also about analysis, looking things up and then weighing their value, one idea against another, one set of evidence against another-you can find all sorts of tripe in print and on the web that makes bold claims -that God created the Black tribe of the Shabazz 60,000 years ago, and so on. Ultimately its the quality of your judgement that matters, and on this issue, I cannot agree with your conclusions, so far.