17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[jamesedwards]

Yes thank you for the correction.

you mean

Once the two forensic experts show it was Trayvon it's a wrap for Zimmerman!!! Because that will show he lied and if you lie one time your credibility is shot!!!

its already a wrap for zimmerman

he caught in many lies and inconsistency's



correction for this below

[jamesedwards]

It doesn't matter to me what you think the definition is. And it's also funny that you'd pick a site that contradicts your orginal point and uses hatred of another race as the DEFINITION of RACISM. If you hate a whole ethnic group you're being racist, end of story. Don't try to justify racism. So it has to affect people huh? Well don't you think BEFORE it affects people it starts with HATE. Come on now.

LOL Of course it doesn't matter to you, that's why you don't know the real definition. There are people that hate races and never start anything, that's why I am telling you racism is an action and the definition showed you IT'S A SYSTEM!!! No that went right over your head. Do you even know how to read a dictionary? I'd pick a site that contradict my original point? hell are you talking about? We are having a debate, or dialogue or whatever you want to call it. I have been consistent in what I have said. You don't know the meaning of rasicm and you don't know the difference between hate and racism you think they are the same.

[jamesedwards]

Right there I see where you are coming from Prospero and if I didn't have knowledge of racism I would of said yes, the Nazi's killing of Ashkenazi Khazar Caucasian converted Jews was racism.

But..... Here's the killer, the so called Caucasian Khazar converted Jews in Isreal right now that were put there in 1948 are not the original Jews/Hebrew Isrealites. They are Caucasian Khazars they are not of the original bloodline of the original Jews. So if Hitler who is Caucasian did what he did against another Caucasian group, how can that be racism?

If I am African descent for example say I hate all African descent people and start killing my own people is that racism? How? When I am one of my own people? It's called SELF HATRED!!! Not racism. So Hitler who was a German Caucasian hating and killing Khazar Caucasian converted Jews was a Caucasian on Caucasian crime and not racism, I hope you understand where I am coming from. Simply you can't be part of a race and hate it and call it racism, it's only self hate that it becomes.

So following Jamesedward's definition of racism the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis was not racism?

I know where he is coming from. The notion that briefly held currency that it is or was impossible for a group who in a minority and have been historically discriminated against cannot be racist towards the majority group that oppresses them. But this is an politically expedient political position and certainly not really based on a n honest examination of the behaviour of groups.

Thus there have in recent times been any times when a group who might be seen to be oppressed are racist towards another group. in the Uk for instance the Afro-Caribbean community practice discriminations the Somali community. Many people from Trinidad hate Jamaicans. And in the Zimbabwe under Ronert Mugabe there has, for some years, been clear proof of discrimination again the former white ruling group. You might try to justify that as revenge but it is - nonetheless - racist.

[Prospero]

Sorry James - your remarks about the jews etc are just plain bonkers. End of my brief conversation with you.

[jamesedwards]

Right now this is what I will show what real racism is.

Racism by the original definition, not my definition is a movement of one race feeling superior to another race. That race enslaving the other race because of their superiority, the race that feels superior uses a system to make the other race feel inferior and effect that other race by depriving them of education, political equality, economic equality and social equality.

That's real racism that was put into action. Caucasians who are of another race showed racism to Africans who are of another race. To say racism is hating another race is not racism, because you can hate a race and not follow that system that I just gave the four points on.

African descent people in south Africa and in America is not on an equal ground with politics, the Govt is mostly ran by Caucasians and they make all the decisions.
Economics, Caucasians run this country's money system and African descent is not on an equal stage with it.
Education, definitely not equal we all know that, and definitely not equal on a social level.
When you hold another race from equality from your own race THAT'S RACISM!!!
To hate another race isn't, you're just making a conscious declaration without action of depriving a race or ethnic group EQUALITY!!!

Number 2 says a SYSTEM OF GOVT, but never tells you what that system really comprise of. DEPRIVING ANOTHER RACE FROM POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND EDUCATIONAL EQUALITY!!!
When you study law it will tell you this shit, that's why people will think racism is only hate and not even say what I said, so racism is not really hate it's the system used by another race on another race of people.

Example Maddygirl never once said a race that feels superior over another race, or a system, she went and used the 3 modern answer that evolved it's way into this definition and is mostly highly used and when you have numbers 1 & 2 definition basically almost never used when they are first before number 3.

I tell you people they use words of art that's what the legal system is about WORDS OF ART. If anyone has studied law knows what I am talking about.

RACISM
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination (no equality).
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

[jamesedwards]

That is why I said African descent people can't be racist in this country they can prejudge and hate, but never be actually a racist by it's real definition.
In order for that to happen we would have to run this system and be unjust to Caucasians on all four points I mentioned which is not happening!!! And don't give me that bullshit about Obama being the first black president, first off He's not black, he's mixed with an African father and Caucasian mother!!! So he's the first mixed president, when you have a president that have two African descent parents you will have the first African American President. I already dropped the science on being called black.

They have people thinking and saying all types of dumb shit, and when a person like me try to school people I get jumped on.
They got you think a brown complexion person is black when that's fucking false, they got you thinking a person with the complexion of the color of a banana is brown, wtf, a banana by color is YELLOW, its not fucking brown, see the words of art they use and people go for that shit. That's why I don't use color for people we are not fucking crayons in a box, we are different complexions, I never seen an orange person, green, purple, violet, etc. We are humans not things.

Funny when I say shit like slavery is still in the constitution motha fuckas laugh and think I am stupid and say slick dumb shit, but their asses don't know or never have read the whole dam constitution, and try to ridicule me on it, and don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

[zulusierra]

If you think the racial makeup of U.S. prisons is purely a criminological analysis and doesn't factor in a racial bias from both the police and the court system, you my friend are the one with his 'head in the sand.'

The fact is that the U.S locks more people up than any other county in the world by far.

The drug and weapon laws were all written with minorities as the intended target. The way the system is set up, it is damn near impossible to ever get your life back and live up to your potential. There is just too much money in incarcerating people.

History will look back on us as barbarians.

[jamesedwards]

Sorry James - your remarks about the jews etc are just plain bonkers. End of my brief conversation with you.

Ok, cool no problem, I expect that from people that are not learned on history, and linguistics and not on an academic level. Ending the conversion is expected especially when you can't back up why you have ended the convo.
Everything I am saying I CAN PROVE WITH DOCUMENTATION, EPIGRAPHIC EVIDENCE ALONG WITH PICTURES AND LINGUISTICS ON AN ACADEMIC LEVEL!!!

But since you couldn't talk about the so called Jews I won't go into it, but that's another history lesson on it's on. I already said the shit I know I couldn't possibly type here it would shut down HA.

[jamesedwards]

The fact is that the U.S locks more people up than any other county in the world by far.

The drug and weapon laws were all written with minorities as the intended target. The way the system is set up, it is damn near impossible to ever get your life back and live up to your potential. There is just too much money in incarcerating people.

History will look back on us as barbarians.

WOOOOOWWWWWW!!!! I couldn't even argue with that shit if I could try and compel myself to. WOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!

What Giovanni is saying though these lockups is not base purely on criminal basis but on a racial bias.

[giovanni_hotel]

There's a practical definition of the word 'racism' that everyone knows and uses, and a more academic definition that sort of confuses the whole issue.

I know where jamesedwards is coming from, but personally I've moved away from the latter definition and the only distinction I will make is between general, individual racism and institutional racism.

That macro-definition of racism became vogue in the late 1980s, early 1990s.
However I personally know Black people I would describe as racist, even if they lack the wherewithal to affect the lives of others with their hatred.