17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[Queens Guy]

WEll Queens, I see Trayvon as a tall 17 year old Teen, am I correct? Is he a teen or an adult? He's skinny, look at his face book pics, and he has on baggy pants at the store am I correct? He's not a built guy, he was only 17 am I correct?

He could be seen as a threat because he's tall, but here's the ass kicker, you said you see him as a threat, Zimmerman seen him as a threat but one thing Zimmerman had over him was THE MIGHTY GUN, am I correct? Zimmerman seen Trayvon and he seen how tall he was, bet if Zimmerman didn't have that gun I bet he would of stayed in the car. Just as you see Trayvon as a threat.

Now me I don't see Trayvon as a threat maybe because I am 6'1 230 lbs muscle, it is certain short men have size complexes in the world, so to me he's not a threat. The thing is how is he a threat in a store just buying goods? Unless you're talking about he would look like a threat to you as you walked down the street. If that's the case every time I see African descent youth in my hood I should see all of them as threats because they are taller than me. smh

I MEAN LOOK AT HIM HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY REAL MUSCLE MASS HE'S SKINNY, IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT QUEENS THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

So there you have it.

james,

I guess we did take away different things after seeing the video.

I didn't say, or I didn't mean to say, that I saw the video version of Trayvon as a threat, to me personally. I'm about the same size as you, know how to fight, etc, and I really wouldn't sweat Trayvon that much. My only concern would be to make sure I got inside his jab and get to grappling distance.

I did not, with a capital NOT, say that Trayvon did anything in the store that made him look like a threat. He was just a teenager buying some snacks. Nothing about that video leads me to think anything about what happened later that night.

My point was that I compared him to the previous photos I've seen. The little kid in the football uniform, the smiling kid in the orange shirt. Compared to the little kid version of Trayvon we've seen, the 'new' version is more of a threat.

This is a criticism of the media, too. It's hard to believe that with all the pictures people put up on facebook, myspace, etc, these days that the media couldn't have shown more recent pictures of him. I'm one of those people that thinks the media is trying to 'create a narrative'. Just tell me what happened, as accurately as you can, and don't make anything up. NBC/MSNBC lost all credibility to me when they did that misleading edit job on the Zimmerman 911 call, cutting down the 13 seconds to 6, eliminating the part where the dispatcher asks Zimmerman to tell him the race of the 'suspicious male'. They 'created' their version news, they didn't report it.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, jamesedward, at this point. Maybe we'll agree as more information comes out, though. I don't have any animosity toward you and I don't feel any from you. I think we both do agree that we want to see justice. Maybe we can share a drink at one of the T-girl parties sometime.

[giovanni_hotel]

There are individuals on this board who are blackmailers. There are individuals who have wished other board members physical harm, up to and including death. But, they love to call eveyone they can a racist, when they are the standard bearers for hate mongering.....how very odd.

DOn't be cryptic. Who are you trying to protect??lol
Make your case or don't say anything.

I know I told a poster he should go suck on the barrel of a shotgun. And I got called on it.
Who's calling 'everyone' a racist?? Not a single person on this board has called 'everyone else' a racist. But they do exist in a little club here on HA. That's indisputable.

Are you calling me a hate monger??
Helps to be clear about what it is you're trying to say when you're attempting to make a point.

And how can anyone on this site be a blackmailer??

For instance if I repeatedly told members randomly to go suck on shotgun barrels and people complained, eventually I know I would be asked to cut it out, or I'd be banned.

That's not blackmail, it's a basic rule for conduct on a message board.

By the way, how else is one supposed to interpret hard4janira's statement?? As a factual observation?? It was a crazy thing to say but at least the dude has laid his cards out there, so next time I won't have to be surprised.

[fastingforlife]

Seanchai, utilizing the skills of a typicall 11 year old, was able to discover my identity when I made comments within another thread that he disapproved of. To silence and intimidate me, he threathened to out my interest in this site to my wife, children and employer, violating the code of honor that we all extend to each other, regardless of our differences. Not one board member had the courage to call him on his act of blackmail. Which, by the way is a crime.............even in our little world. I am stunned that the moderator/administrator hasn't banned him. However, I chose not to report him, expecting others to do that.

In the matter of your wish that I die, I do not accept, as others do that it was simple hyperbole. But, I will be generous and call it an overzealous remark by a member of the thought police.

[natina]

Rationalizing Racial Oppression: How the Right Misuses Crime Data to Justify Unequal Policing
Whenever I write an article about racism, or give a speech concerning the ongoing reality of discrimination in the labor market, I am assailed by those who refuse to believe what virtually any study done in the past two decades confirms: namely, that people of color are not seeing things, nor crazy when they suggest that racial bias is very much a modern-day phenomenon.
These assaults typically arrive in my e-mail inbox, within hours of an article going out over the web, as if pre-prepared long before, and as if their authors were simply waiting for an opportunity to pick an electronic fight.
Sometimes their retorts are little more than racist rants about how blacks and Latinos are lazy, or how American Indians are all drunk. But oftentimes the denial comes wrapped in far more sophisticated garb than that, occasionally bordering on the scholarly, in fact. While some of the conservatives who regale me with their rationalizations for racial inequality manage to quote a gaggle of right wing “experts” to help make their case, the claims they forward are hardly the stronger for it.
For example, the argument that racial wage gaps merely reflect different levels of experience and qualifications between whites and blacks are simply untenable, when one examines the data. Fact is, earnings gaps persist at all levels of education. According to Census data, whites with high school diplomas, college degrees or Master’s Degrees all earn approximately twenty percent more than their black counterparts. Even more striking, whites with professional degrees (such as medicine or law) earn, on average, thirty-one percent more than similar blacks and fifty-two percent more than similar Latinos (1). Even when levels of work experience are the same between blacks and whites, the racial wage gap remains between 10-20 percent (2).
Looking at whites and blacks of similar age, doing the same work, earnings gaps remain significant. Among 25-34 year olds, white lawyers, computer programmers, and carpenters earn, on average, about one-fourth more than comparable blacks; white doctors and accountants earn, on average, one-third more than comparable blacks; and even white janitors earn sixteen percent more, on average, than comparable blacks (3).
Although these gaps do not necessarily reflect overt discrimination by employers — in fact, they mostly reflect the segmented labor market, whereby whites have greater access to more lucrative clients and companies — the effect is the same: whites continue to receive advantages in the labor market over equally qualified blacks.
And contrary to the claims of some, differences in black and white wages are not the result of different cognitive abilities or IQ scores. The results of over thirty studies confirm that test scores and other academic achievement differences can account for no more than three percent of the wage gaps between whites and blacks (4).
The two most common excuses for racial wage inequity are age and geography: excuses popularized by black conservatives like Thomas Sowell, and repeated ad infinitum by white reactionaries like Abigail and Stephen Thernstrom. Since blacks are, on average, younger than whites they will earn less, so the argument goes; and since blacks disproportionately live in the South — a lower-wage region of the country — they will earn less, even if there were no racism operating in labor markets

http://www.timwise.org/2005/05/excus...he-job-market/

http://www.timwise.org/2005/05/excus...minal-justice/

Rationalizing Racial Oppression

http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/08/...al-oppression/




DWB ("driving while black"), "racial profiling," these terms refer to a certain portion of racism. Those with "white privilege," are not subjected to it. It's more than a matter of discrimination in terms of selective enforcement. (Other forms of racism occur on the job, for example, but this site focuses on a different aspect, "Voting While Black," VWB, or attempted VWB (aka "Voting While Black or Brown"). http://medicolegal.tripod.com/dwb.htm

[natina]

Seanchai is a moderator here

Seanchai, utilizing the skills of a typicall 11 year old, was able to discover my identity when I made comments within another thread that he disapproved of. To silence and intimidate me, he threathened to out my interest in this site to my wife, children and employer, violating the code of honor that we all extend to each other, regardless of our differences. Not one board member had the courage to call him on his act of blackmail. Which, by the way is a crime.............even in our little world. I am stunned that the moderator/administrator hasn't banned him. However, I chose not to report him, expecting others to do that.

In the matter of your wish that I die, I do not accept, as others do that it was simple hyperbole. But, I will be generous and call it an overzealous remark by a member of the thought police.

[fastingforlife]

Seanchai is a moderator here

No wonder he operates with impunity.....very sad, indeed.

[natina]

BREAKING NEWS ZIMMERMAN WITNESS CHANGES STORY

Key witness in Trayvon Martin shooting changed story


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ged-story?lite

[jamesedwards]

That advice ZIMMERMAN SHOULD OF FOLLOWED THAT NIGHT!!!
Yeah liability, but also the dispatcher new Zimmerman wasn't a cop, meaning a professional so the call was right.

Liability.

If the dispatcher tells him to proceed, he places the liability on himself and/or the city. They are trained to tell you to back off and break contact. But there is no law saying you must.

BTW, in most areas, a 911 dispatcher is not a LEO. The dispatcher has no authority to give orders... only advice.

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[jamesedwards]

HOld up where in the hell did they get he was 6'3? Report said he was only 5'11, Trayvon that is. Where is they getting the 6'3 shit from? wtf is going on here.

[jamesedwards]

Key witness in Trayvon Martin shooting changed story

BAmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lol That was a key witness for Zimmerman NOT ANYMORE LOL Who's case falling apart now? That's the same guy that said Tray was on top too lol He'll probably change that too "YA KNOW THINKING ABOUT IT, I, I, UMMMMMM I REALLY COULDN'T BECAUSE IT WAS DARK" LOL

That was the man at his door who slammed the door when Zimmerman and Tray go into it, and he slammed his door and it made the first pop sound before the gun went off, he ran upstairs to call police. How many ear witnesses there are 22? WoW I know Two women said they heard Tray yelling for help and their story has been consistent on three different occasions!!!

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A key witness to the Trayvon Martin shooting changed the story he had given Sanford, Fla., police, telling state authorities he was not sure who was screaming during the altercation with George Zimmerman, NBC Dateline confirmed Friday.
The man known as Witness #6 originally told Sanford police Zimmerman cried for help. The witness stuck to his account that he saw Martin, 17, straddling Zimmerman and pinning him to the ground before Martin was shot.

On March 20, according to the Orlando Sentinel, while sitting for a follow-up interview by a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigator the witness said that he was no longer sure who was calling for help.
"At first, I thought it was the person on the ground, just because, you know, me thinking rationally, if someone was on top, the person on the bottom would be yelling," he said, according to the Sentinel. "I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk. You can't see a mouth …"
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Court docs: Trayvon Martin shooting 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman'

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...in=usnews&lite