17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[GroobySteven]

Hey Seanchai?

I’m a paying member of your site, and have been for over a decade, and I’m about gnat’s-ass from terminating my membership with you. I’m lining your pocket with my own money. I’m the one who years ago, wrote your staff a personal message requesting you to tear down your Bush-bashing propaganda on your site because I didn’t want to see it, and you did it out of customer appreciation; which I appreciated and decided to remain a member. Remember me? That was me who wrote that request years ago.

You think I’m a thug? I’m your customer. This is a video I compiled in defense of black people who earned their freedom when they were given the right to bear arms against their oppressors in the South. We did not start the slave problem here in America. Native Africans kidnapped their own people from villages, held them in slave fortresses on the coast of Africa and sold them off to the Spanish Slave Ships of Spain. Black and brown people brought slavery to South and North America out of greed. We didn’t! White people had nothing to do with it. We inherited this awful system of slavery, and the civil war in America ended it with scores of dead Americans, black and white, laying and rotting in the fields for freedom! We are the only country that took a stand on enslaving innocent men, women, and children, and even armed slaves on the run from the South to fight against their masters who Lincoln personally credited black people with “turning the tide of the war”.



Black people in this nation have lost their damned minds. I saw this video on the Africa Channel, from a country whose mothers personally strap their babies to their backs and carry them all day long so they’re kids won’t endure the anxiety of separation from a mother’s bond during their formative years. In America, all the music you hear is from brats who talk about shooting, killing, robbing, and defending their hood; something they don’t even personally own. In Africa, they write rich music about family and harmony. In this video, the artist is singing in his native African language about “Peace in the family, when there’s peace in your heart.” Black people in this nation should go back to their roots and learn from their own people who have been mowed down in the streets by the hundreds of thousands with machetes, simply because they belonged to a different tribe. I’ve worked with Native Africans who lived in mud-huts in Africa. They are the most intelligent, and well-balanced and polite people you could meet, because they grew up with strong family bonds. The black youth here in America, because of this welfare state they live under, are completely imbalanced and out of control. That is not America’s fault. That is the fault of the families they were raised in.

Hmmm ... so essentially blackmailing me into not calling you a thug, is the way to go by appealing to my greed? I've never backed away from stating what I think is wrong or right and I'm not going to now. You make your own choices on where buy your entertainment. I don't buy Murdoch's newspapers as I don't like him, his politics or his policies - but I pay for Sky Sports as it's the only place to get my F1 and football. I don't like the fact Tom Cruise is a nutter Scientologist but I will watch his movies as I enjoy them. Your rhetoric about shooting people on your property make you little different from a thug - using violence to your own means - you may write better, you may be a different colour to those that you mean but you are part of the problem. I've stated, unfortuantely, if I lived in your states I would probably own a gun and yes, if someone was coming to harm me or my family, I would use that force - but you seem to take that even further, you seem to welcome the ability to use deadly force even if your life isn't under threat.

Your slavery post ... that's just ... almost unanswerable.
"White people had nothing to do with it." - seriously, you're not that naive are you? They had everything to do with it.

"The black youth here in America, because of this welfare state they live under, are completely imbalanced and out of control. That is not America’s fault. That is the fault of the families they were raised in. " - what got the black youth and their families to this dis-enfranchised state of mind? What are you doing to change it, as an individual or a group? You've contributed to creating these families upon families with no foundations in respect, proper upbringings and reasons to change. You've done this because it's where you need those people to be.

I stand by my what you called "Bush-bashing propaganda" by the way - 8 years of having an absolute joke for a President. His people milked you dry and you'll be paying for it for decades but you are correct, it doesn't have any place on an adult entertainment site, which is why I keep it off there. Hungangels is a different animal, it has a different makeup and you don't pay to be hear - I'm giving you a space to sound off, to retort and to put your point across and for the main, we give people a fairly long rope as long as they remain reasonably civil.

[GroobySteven]

In case you didn't notice, did you notice how the music of Baaba Maal, an artist from Africa, is much more rich in content and message and harmoney than the trash you hear in America from the Black Community?

[jamesedwards]

As for Zimmerman, as I said before, whats the point of having a Neighbourhood Watch volunteer if he doesn't know the neighbours?

Great dam point!!! And the fact Zimmerman IS NOT PROFESSIONAL!!! Look at his 911 call saying profanity like he is really upset, like he is compelled to catch someone, saying things like "THEY ALWAYS GET AWAY" and "FUCKING PUNKS" doesn't that sound like he had it in his mind that he was going to confront Tray? He was a self proclaimed watchmen and I bet he had it in his mind he was a dam cop on patrol. And for most of all THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH SHIT WAS NOT FUCKING ORGANIZED AT ALL!!!

[GroobySteven]

Great dam point!!! And the fact Zimmerman IS NOT PROFESSIONAL!!! Look at his 911 call saying profanity like he is really upset, like he is compelled to catch someone, saying things like "THEY ALWAYS GET AWAY" and "FUCKING PUNKS" doesn't that sound like he had it in his mind that he was going to confront Tray? He was a self proclaimed watchmen and I bet he had it in his mind he was a dam cop on patrol. And for most of all THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH SHIT WAS NOT FUCKING ORGANIZED AT ALL!!!

I don't have the answer to this and can't be arsed looking ... was Zimmerman drug/alcohol tested when he was brought in, immediately after the shooting.

[GroobySteven]

Hey Yourdaddy:
Ok if you are not a thug (debatable on the semantics).
Are you a racist - or would you identify with being anti-black?
Is it just blacks or other races?

I rarely meet someone whom appears to be so racist but also "fairly" coherent and doesn't have to resort to calling people niggers, porch monkeys, coons, etc.

[theoryman]

But all those situations I can sympathize with InHouston even though I don't own a gun. A mature gun owner first uses his firearm as a DETERRENT to prevent greater violence, they don't start blazing then try to figure out what happened after the fact.

Exactly.

IMO, the fact that he showed the other party that he was willing to use lethal force immediately made the other party reconsider their behavior.

I don't like the way theoryman keeps saying '...., you will die,' like he doesn't give a fuck about the possibility of taking another human life.

It is not a matter of 'doesn't give a fuck', it is a matter of 'been there, done that' .

And there are some things hypothetically I wouldn't draw on someone over, or shoot to kill. In every instance 'my property' isn't worth a human life. I would say rarely if ever.

And that is your choice to make. To me, my property is worth more than your life.
My attitude is, if you are stupid enough to attack me or mine or try to steal from me, YOU made your choice. You took a gamble... and lost.

[zulusierra]

James Bond has a licence to Kill, in fiction. With all your training, you are telling me you can't shoot an intruder in the leg?

Any police or military or civilian training emphasizes shooting "center mass". There is a reason for that.

But the real question is, why do I give a fuck about some asshole who just broke in my home? I've got a family to worry about. I don't know their intentions. If they were brave enough to violate my home once, what's to say they won't do it again?

Is he gonna stand still and let me aim while I'm shaking from adrenaline?

If I do shoot him in the leg, how do I avoid the femoral artery?

A pistol round is not gonna immediately stop a determined or drugged up attacker. (most people who are shot don't die) He may die later in the hospital, but does me no good if he stabs or shoots me in the meantime.

A responsible weapon owner is not looking to kill. They are looking to stop the threat. That means a heart or central nervous system hit.

Again, most of what you've seen on tv about firearms is bullshit. They are not magical death rays.

[jamesedwards]

You seem to forget how this country was founded ON MURDER, GANGSHIP, COWBOYING, RAPE, SLAVERY, DISEASE, THEFT, KILLING, MAIMING, ETC!!! This Govt till this day is still doing it. As a matter of fact case brought up CIA help pump the drugs into gangs and into the hoods!!! So violence hasn't just taken over this country that violent shit BEEN HERE OVER 400 YEARS AGO!!! Fuck is you talking about?

Oh so you have African descent friends? LOL

So you say African descent and Hispanics cause all the problems in working class communities huh? Well lets take this to the white collar working class and see if they cause problems, take that shit as high as the president and bring it down to the average Caucasian.

Bush, the former president, is a murderer and a lying bastard, deemed by Hilary Cliton herself as the worse president ever!!! He and his cronies, made 911 in 2001, he was put in office and cheated with the votes because in 93 when the WTC didn't collapse like it was suppose to Bush and his top level cronies devised a plan. 911 was an inside job to cause a war, change the Patriot act etc. Collin Powell himself found out Bush lied about WMD and that's why he resigned. 80 million a month fucked up the economy of this country for 4-8 years in a war the country had no business going into. Fucking up jobs for people, along with the banks ripping off people with interest rates, I can go on, but yet African descent people and Hispanics are the problem? But this shit is Caucasian ran!!!

World Com and other companies that stole millions, WHITE COLLAR CRIME AT IT'S BEST, but yet African descent people and Hispanics are the problem? But this shit is Caucasian ran!!!


Wall Street corruption, I don't even want to get into that, but yet African descent people and Hispanics are the problem? But this shit is Caucasian ran!!!


CIA is found they are distributing drugs into the communities with rival gangs, but yet African descent people and Hispanics are the problem? But this shit is Caucasian ran!!!


Every time there needs to be a budget cut the first thing they hit is EDUCATION, why? Because THIS CAUCASIAN GOVT DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT AFRICAN DESCENT PEOPLE OR ANY OTHER MINORITIES!!! They want minorities to be ignorant, if they didn't first thing they would be doing is pumping back into education and knowing if you teach the youth we can have a better country, they give less than two's of a fuck!!! Then got the nerve to raise prices in college knowing dam well African descent and Hispanic people can't pay for that shit, but yet African descent people and Hispanics are the problem? But this shit is Caucasian ran!!!


You tend to make it out like African descent people and Hispanics are the problem in communities, like Caucasians don't commit crimes. Caucasians have put out statistics that Caucasians commit more crimes than African descent people yet more African descent people are 70% of the jail population!!!

You must be related to Zimmerman!!!

Cowboys? It's the thug culture that has taken over in this country.

That’s the reality Seanchai. The black and Hispanic community is causing these problems in in the working class communities of America.

I like black people. In fact, my wife and I were at our neighbor’s eating crawfish with black neighbors of ours last night. We had no problems, and we enjoyed their company, because they work for a living. One is a nurse, and one is a waitress. They hate what they’re own people are doing, and were bitching about it for hours on end.

[jamesedwards]

I don't have the answer to this and can't be arsed looking ... was Zimmerman drug/alcohol tested when he was brought in, immediately after the shooting.

From what a report said, he was not tested that's another thing people were angry about. They were also angry that the Samford Police Dept said he had a clean record which he didn't, sparked anger, but now it's said he was on some drugs for anxiety and insomnia.

[GroobySteven]

... said he was on some drugs for anxiety and insomnia.

Insomnia is related to paranoia.
I reckon there are a few people on this thread who don't sleep much.