17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[trish]

That's your opinion, ...
Out here in Texas if I'm walking around my neighborhood, and someone confronts me and asked what I'm doing around their houses, I'm not going to jump on them and start beating on them. I'd end up getting shot.

Tis tis. Treyvon's problem.

Not only my opinion, but the opinion of everyone who knows right from wrong.
And no, if you can't defend yourself without firearm, then that's your problem and a problem for every Texan. What a fucked up state!

[jamesedwards]

Not only my opinion, but the opinion of everyone who knows right from wrong.
And no, if you can't defend yourself without firearm, then that's your problem and a problem for every Texan. What a fucked up state!

[zulusierra]

And no, if you can't defend yourself without firearm, then that's your problem and a problem for every Texan.

People with physical disabilities?

95lb women?

Elderly?

When you're outnumbered?

You may a superhuman badass; if so, rock on!

As a grown man, I'm not gonna duke it out with another grown man over some bullshit. I'm gonna try to walk away from the situation if possible. If it's not an option, I'm taking it to the NEXT LEVEL.

The moral of the story is, you never know who yer fuckin' wit.

Misread a situation with the wrong person and you just might get checked. Hard.

[trish]

Don't be a pedantic idiot. Stick to the real argument. The "you" refers the generally able bodied, such as your Mr. Zimmerman. If you got yourself involved in a scrap and are getting the worst of it, pulling a knife, a gun or any other weapon and using it to KILL your UNARMED opponent is wrong. If the people of Texas feel they generally need to carry firearms to defend themselves (even in gated communities no less), that's a problem. The firearms are not the solution, they're symptomatic of (and part of) the problem.

[jamesedwards]

That's true I agree.

You know how I roll these days? Go straight to work, don't talk to people I don't know, and go straight home. I don't do clubs none of that crap, it's like I have to strategize how I go out, and that shouldn't have to happen. With cops killing people at will they are the main concern, not even thugs, I worry about running into cops, they are a hot mess killing people and especially African descent people. This is a fact not my opinion. I have a tape where a Caucasian raised an object at an officer, did he shoot her? Nope he was Caucasian also, then she fled and took the cop car LOL Now if that would of been an African descent person DEAD DEAD DEAD!!! Look at all the African descent people shot by cops and didn't have any weapons. Yet if we have a wallet we are shot dead, this woman pulled out and pointed it towards the cop and he actually had the right to shoot, but he didn't.

People with physical disabilities?

95lb women?

Elderly?

When you're outnumbered?

You may a superhuman badass; if so, rock on!

As a grown man, I'm not gonna duke it out with another grown man over some bullshit. I'm gonna try to walk away from the situation if possible. If it's not an option, I'm taking it to the NEXT LEVEL.

The moral of the story is, you never know who yer fuckin' wit.

Misread a situation with the wrong person and you just might get checked. Hard.

[maddygirl]

I can't understand why some of you keep bringing up the black/white race argument. Zimmerman isn't white, and doesn't even look white. Even though he very well may have committed this crime, believe it or not.. not every crime involving people of different races was racially motivated.

[zulusierra]

Stick to the real argument. The "you" refers the generally able bodied, such as your Mr. Zimmerman. If you got yourself involved in a scrap and are getting the worst of it, pulling a knife, a gun or any other weapon and using it to KILL your UNARMED opponent is wrong.

I agree that Zimmerman was an idiot. I just happen to think Trayvon was too.

Here's my wild speculation...

Zimmerman: Probably approached Trayvon in a disrespectful manner. Decided he wanted to play Law Enforcement without the training. Did not have the emotional/mental maturity to carry a deadly weapon outside of his personal residence.

Trayvon: Walking in the rain. Rudely confronted for being in a gated community that he stuck like a sore thumb in. After being approached in what he sees as a disrespectful manner, decides to throw some shade. He's probably thinking something along the lines of "fuck this punk-ass white boy" and decides to get froggy.

Next?
Neither of them has the common sense to walk away and leave it alone.

I don't think it's right. It's life. Just to flip it, here's a thought experiment:

White guy walking through southwest Atlanta (SWATS) in an area he obviously doesn't live. Someone confronts/approaches/otherwise directs comments toward him in a disrespectful manner. Should our hypothetical white boy stay quiet and keep it movin', or engage in a dick-measuring contest? If he decides to smart off to the residents of the community what do you think the most likely outcomes include?

I think Trayvon made a fatal error thinking that just because he was in a nice gated community that some white boy wouldn't check him for being out of bounds. I'm not saying it's right.

The U.S. is changing. People are fed up. Sadly, I don't see the situation getting better anytime soon.

[maddygirl]

I still don't think it's right that Zimmerman killed him. Just because you get in a fight with someone doesn't give you the right to kill them! Imagine if EVERY fight that went down ended in one person dying and the other person claiming they only used the "Stand your Ground Law?" This law in Florida apparently ALLOWS you to kill someone if they start physically fighting you. I'm sorry but I think this is lunacy... ever heard of... PEPPERSPRAY?

[Stavros]

Here's my wild speculation...
Trayvon: Walking in the rain. Rudely confronted for being in a gated community that he stuck like a sore thumb in. .

Speculation, again, can lead to all sorts of conclusions, in this case I am puzzled by yours because the sub-prime crisis and the foreclosures on property that happened, meant that 'even in' gated communities like the one in Sanford, many of the original tenants had moved out, and new ones moved in -I dont know if the Martin family's friends were new occupants, but I wonder how familiar Zimmerman was with the people who lived there, because in fact Trayvon would not have 'stuck out like a sore thumb'. One wonders what is the point of being in a Neighbourhood Watch if you dont know the neighbours...and anyway if it was the UK the whole place would have been covered by cc cameras, alebit that the incident took place in the dark mostly.

[buttslinger]

He's probably thinking something along the lines of "fuck this punk-ass white boy" and decides to get froggy.

Then why was he yelling "help help?"

This just in: Tray had THC in his system.