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[MrsKellyPierce]

CONCLUSION

Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. For example, consider some of the bogus claims that supposedly come from many eyewitness accounts of alien extraterrestrials and their space craft. They not only assert eyewitnesses but present blurry photos to boot! If we can question these accounts, then why should we not question claims that come from hearsay even more? Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live.

Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.

Of course a historical Jesus may have existed, perhaps based loosely on a living human even though his actual history got lost, but this amounts to nothing but speculation. However we do have an abundance of evidence supporting the mythical evolution of Jesus. Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus "the Christ." We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.

So if you hear anyone who claims to have evidence for a witness of a historical Jesus, simply ask for the author's birth date. Anyone whose birth occurred after an event cannot serve as an eyewitness, nor can their words alone serve as evidence for that event.

[EvonRose]

It's kinda like saying prove me Julius Cesar lived and don't use roman evidence...

The thing about Jesus is the evidence come from all part of that region...

It is documented, He was put in place of historic people, who have placed him under their life...

So that's kinda discrediting a life of a historian proven fact... If jesus didn't exist, then they all didn't exist...

The man that was believed to be jesus was buried in a tomb, documented and proven also...

And it was also documented that his body was stolen in realistic point of view, or risen from the dead in religious point of view..

The fact that history documented his body was no longer there, matched what the roman, christians, Jews all documented...

Not every historical figures have a birth date, some even unknown but have been proven famous historic figures...

You also cannot be ignorant enough to ignore many documented facts, that is better proof than not believing it just because you don't believe in a god.

[buttslinger]

Before the Big Bang, the Universe was the size of a softball. Although it was finite, it had no edges. It is written.

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's kinda like saying prove me Julius Cesar lived and don't use roman evidence...

The thing about Jesus is the evidence come from all part of that region...

It is documented, He was put in place of historic people, who have placed him under their life...

So that's kinda discrediting a life of a historian proven fact... If jesus didn't exist, then they all didn't exist...

The man that was believed to be jesus was buried in a tomb, documented and proven also...

And it was also documented that his body was stolen in realistic point of view, or risen from the dead in religious point of view..

The fact that history documented his body was no longer there, matched what the roman, christians, Jews all documented...

Not every historical figures have a birth date, some even unknown but have been proven famous historic figures...

You also cannot be ignorant enough to ignore many documented facts, that is better proof than not believing it just because you don't believe in a god.

Again what proof?

[EvonRose]

Again what proof?

It is well documented that Jesus from Jerusalem was a teacher and lead people.

They had found a tomb of bones that in scripted "James the son of Joseph, brother of Jesus...

it was documented that Joseph was the father of Jesus and after Jesus Mary and Joseph had other children after...

James was thought to be the half brother of Jesus.

Again it's not like you can prove he does not exist, you can only discredit. But that does not mean the documents are false.

I have more reasons to believe he existed with evidence and documents given as oppose to saying it's a fairy tale...

Then that means everyone in the bible an every event is a fairytale, which by the way is proven to be not true since many people and events in the bible actually did happen according to historians and have proven it. And many famous philosophers and Historians match the events of the documented life of Jesus...

You can't have every physical proof, every picture. If someone was to document the 911 thousands of years after the world would completely change... There won't be hard physical evidence, you only have the documents to go by... And it is their job to find other documents to match what the other documents say...

And if they have over thousand of people documenting the 911, obviously something happened...

[Tyler___Durden]

kelly said Jesus didn't exist, while many more superior historians and scientist Can prove her wrong with that statement.

Yes,100% I can:

Jesus was a black man
No Jesus was Batman
No, no, no, no, not at all
That was Bruce Wayne

Kelly's hero's, by Black Grape.

[EvonRose]

Yes,100% I can:

Jesus was a black man
No Jesus was Batman
No, no, no, no, not at all
That was Bruce Wayne

Kelly's hero's, by Black Grape.

If god is a DJ then life is a dance floor....

[EvonRose]

I mean you can come back and forth about trying to discredit documents...

It is said only very little Historians question His existence, But it's not like they came up with any evidence that Jesus didn't exist either...

If they can prove that thousands of those Roman, Jews, Christian, Asia minor people, Even many of Jesus's enemies documents were are false and lies then you have a good case.

However everything that's been brought to the table are just facts and evidence that are being discredited with no valid reason...

By the evidence I gather, Jesus was a human who live at one time... Was he the messiah, or risen from the dead? Well that's where I can question it...

But documents when gathered wisely are facts in itself...

[doctor screw]

WOW

Geniuses(sarcasm)

[mathematics1900]

I never said a reason for why you edited your post. I don't care what your reasons were. All I said was that my response was made before I read your edit.

It was a question, it wasn't a statement, why are you telling me you didn't give a reason? There was no edit, that is the point, your ego is hurt.

So talking about overlooking details, why is it you ignored this whole part of my last post? Is it because that couldn't be milked for extra BS?

If you're not a troll, you're a douche. And both are equally tedious and predictable.

I didn't ignore the last part of your post, I addressed it. I never disagreed with that statement, just pointed out that you're a fucking moron for thinking I would edit a post and then go through all this just to what, make no point at all? It should be sinking in now why me editing the post for no gain, and even for no real trolling, is irrational. Now, since you are unable to accept the fact that I didn't edit my post, this just let's me know that you are the douche, not myself, and you are the troll, so I shall call you douche troll.

I hope you all appreciate the way I don't let severe and fundamental scientific reservations,
get in the way of me putting up a good post.

Man, I really wish I could of replied to that guy, how shallow of a thinker. Does he really expect all ideas to just pop out of your head in a peer reviewed scientific journal? Gravity, originated with a single moment of curiosity, what brings the apple to the ground? I think the work this guy is doing is simply asking questions, posing ideas, and gathering information so that further investigation can take place. Ugh, this is my problem with the science community they are so limited in their scope of the world.

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