Men on dating ts women

[mathematics1900]

You make me sound like a bad person.
Cant you, just for a little bit... and for a moment... try to put yourself in my position? Do you think Im happy that I was born in a male body? Do you think I need any emotional reassurance that I have been born male?
When I still lived as a boy I never topped and did not let anyone near my penis.
Now that I live as a woman I am more relaxed with it...
Its a giant step for me that I am open to someone (a lover) touching it... and even give me oral sex.... I would let a lover do that if it pleased him.

Im not a bad person. If I love another Im not selfish. Of course I want to please a man. But why cant you respect that some girls who feel like woman just cant do it? I would not be able to stay hard... the idea of having to top just makes me feel sick....It feels very masculine to me... and makes me feel bad about being TS even more.

Its not because im selfish or delusional. Sure... I know there are guys out there that like to receive anal sex. Good for them. But why do you insist on me doing it?? Just because I was born in a body that did not match my soul... does not mean I was born to serve men with a lust for receiving anal sex.

I think it is selfish of a lot of T lovers to think that once we have a cock... they think it feels the same for us... and that we can do the same things with it.

On hormones a cock feels totally different....my whole sexuality has changed a lot! Its not the same.

You are so insensitive to judge us girls the way you do.

Let me stop you right there, I haven't passed any judgment on anyone. I am simply asking questions, because I'm not you, and I don't understand how you feel. That is why I am asking. Playing the victim isn't going to allow me to understand how you feel, and what you've been through in your life. The only way I am going to understand is if you are patient with me, and realize I want to understand you just as bad as you want me to understand where you are coming from, I am trying, I really am!

So from what I've gathered is you still haven't accepted being born a boy, and you feel bad about being a TS? That breaks my heart. There are women who have the same issues with their vagina, detaching themselves emotionally from something that is meant to give them immense pleasure. Everyone can be masculine and feminine, that is the beauty of people, you just happen to of worked on your emotional "feminine" side your whole life.

That doesn't mean you can't act out masculine behavior. Do you think the reason the idea of topping startles you so much is because you still haven't accepted your penis as part of who you are? To think your potential for sexual ecstasy hasn't even been reached yet...don't you want to grow?

[catherinefan]

I dont really get it.
A lot of guys here insist they are straight but like to take it up the ass etc...
But when a Tgirl is fucked in the ass it must at least be bisexual lol.

It seems indeed that you' re not getting it. Where in my post do I point to any particular sexual act?

[KittyPride]

It seems indeed that you' re not getting it. Where in my post do I point to any particular sexual act?

I was replying in general lol... not to you personally... sorry xx

[KittyPride]

Let me stop you right there, I haven't passed any judgment on anyone. I am simply asking questions, because I'm not you, and I don't understand how you feel. That is why I am asking. Playing the victim isn't going to allow me to understand how you feel, and what you've been through in your life. The only way I am going to understand is if you are patient with me, and realize I want to understand you just as bad as you want me to understand where you are coming from, I am trying, I really am!

So from what I've gathered is you still haven't accepted being born a boy, and you feel bad about being a TS? That breaks my heart. There are women who have the same issues with their vagina, detaching themselves emotionally from something that is meant to give them immense pleasure. Everyone can be masculine and feminine, that is the beauty of people, you just happen to of worked on your emotional "feminine" side your whole life.

That doesn't mean you can't act out masculine behavior. Do you think the reason the idea of topping startles you so much is because you still haven't accepted your penis as part of who you are? To think your potential for sexual ecstasy hasn't even been reached yet...don't you want to grow?

Okay since you are kind and nice... I'll answer kindly

But its going to be hard to explain this to you. This is also part of the frustration with being TS. People just dont understand... naturally of course. And I guess its a good thing they dont...

I havent worked on my emotional feminine side my whole life. I was denied that. Throughout my youth people insisted I was a boy for them. I have escaped from this deadly prison just in time only to discover Tlovers want to put me back in it.

Imagine if you were locked up all your life... like one of the daughters of that freak Fritzl..
And you are freed after years of trauma and anguish.... but people still see you as the girl that was abused and locked up...
And you meet a new lover...
And on a date he suprises you with a cage in his bedroom... and says... honey... just for you !

Would you not feel hurt?
But the guy will go on and say... "baby Im trying to understand... but isnt it that you havent reached your sexual potential yet? Arent you just in denial what you are? You are born for that cage!
The earlier you accept that.... the better it is for you...

This is truely how this feels for me.
Get it now?

[KittyPride]

So from what I've gathered is you still haven't accepted being born a boy, and you feel bad about being a TS? That breaks my heart. There are women who have the same issues with their vagina, detaching themselves emotionally from something that is meant to give them immense pleasure.

Sorry being TS is a handicap. Any handicap has its gifts... cause it can make you a better person... be more loving compassionate... even strong mentally (cause you go through a lot)...
But having a handicap isnt a "pleasure" and it should not be the pleasure of the guy you are dating.

[Tyler___Durden]

Still srs does not change a lot i think....its not like you suddenly stop being a TS...
You change...
From pre op Ts to post op TS.

Un-Gendering at it's best.
Blinks rapidly, then LOL.
Coz you are taking the piss, yes?

[KittyPride]

Un-Gendering at it's best.
Blinks rapidly, then LOL.
Coz you are taking the piss, yes?

sorry lol.. I dont really understand what you mean hehe

[mathematics1900]

Okay since you are kind and nice... I'll answer kindly

But its going to be hard to explain this to you. This is also part of the frustration with being TS. People just dont understand... naturally of course. And I guess its a good thing they dont...

I havent worked on my emotional feminine side my whole life. I was denied that. Throughout my youth people insisted I was a boy for them. I have escaped from this deadly prison just in time only to discover Tlovers want to put me back in it.

Imagine if you were locked up all your life... like one of the daughters of that freak Fritzl..
And you are freed after years of trauma and anguish.... but people still see you as the girl that was abused and locked up...
And you meet a new lover...
And on a date he suprised me with a cage in his bedroom... and says... honey... just for you !

Would you not feel hurt?
But the guy will go on and say... "baby Im trying to understand... but isnt it that you havent reached your sexual potential yet? Arent you just in denial what you are? You are born for that cage!
The earlier you accept that.... the better it is for you...

This is truely how this feels for me.
Get it now?

The picture is definitely becoming more clear, you are definitely helping me to understand a lot more about the feelings of most tgirls. It is interesting that you chose the Fritzl case as an analogy for your own life. I can't imagine how draining it must of been to put on the front of being a boy, when all you really wanted to do was focus on your true interests.

In my eyes though the problem with the analogy is that through years of abuse those girls have become conditioned in a horrible fashion, because now making emotional connections with people and trusting them is going to be very difficult. Not entirely identical to your life but similar in regards to the intimacy issues that arise through abuse. Is a penis what makes a boy? You have a penis, but you obviously are not a boy. So I am curious as to what you think defines someone to be a boy?

I also didn't mean to say that topping, or allowing men to give you oral sex is what it means to hit "sexual potential". What I meant by that is when you become totally comfortable, on all levels with all of your desires and even in your own skin...that to me is the only time when you will be able to reach your sexual potential. Not many people get to that point though, because without emotional support from friends and family it feels like a daily struggle not to kill yourself. If those daughters of Fritzl were to tell me that they are asexual, that they don't get any pleasure from being touched, and they don't see how any could ever enjoy sex, what would you think? We could probably both agree that intimacy issues are a lot more common than most people are willing to admit.

[mathematics1900]

Sorry being TS is a handicap. Any handicap has its gifts... cause it can make you a better person... be more loving compassionate... even strong mentally (cause you go through a lot)...
But having a handicap isnt a "pleasure" and it should not be the pleasure of the guy you are dating.

You see having a penis as a handicap, I simply don't, if you saw what I saw, if you could view yourself through my eyes, then you would never speak about yourself in such a way. Also yes, it most certainly should be the pleasure of the guy you are dating, who else is supposed to enjoy your body? It is obvious you don't enjoy having your penis, so you might as well let me enjoy it, don't you agree?

[KittyPride]

The picture is definitely becoming more clear, you are definitely helping me to understand a lot more about the feelings of most tgirls. It is interesting that you chose the Fritzl case as an analogy for your own life. I can't imagine how draining it must of been to put on the front of being a boy, when all you really wanted to do was focus on your true interests.

In my eyes though the problem with the analogy is that through years of abuse those girls have become conditioned in a horrible fashion, because now making emotional connections with people and trusting them is going to be very difficult. Not entirely identical to your life but similar in regards to the intimacy issues that arise through abuse. Is a penis what makes a boy? You have a penis, but you obviously are not a boy. So I am curious as to what you think defines someone to be a boy?

I also didn't mean to say that topping, or allowing men to give you oral sex is what it means to hit "sexual potential". What I meant by that is when you become totally comfortable, on all levels with all of your desires and even in your own skin...that to me is the only time when you will be able to reach your sexual potential. Not many people get to that point though, because without emotional support from friends and family it feels like a daily struggle not to kill yourself. If those daughters of Fritzl were to tell me that they are asexual, that they don't get any pleasure from being touched, and they don't see how any could ever enjoy sex, what would you think? We could probably both agree that intimacy issues are a lot more common than most people are willing to admit.

Thanks for your answer and understanding. Love you for it.
You also asked a good question...
Im sorry if Im hard on you.... dont mean it that way... honest...

Your question: Is a penis what makes a boy? You have a penis, but you obviously are not a boy. So I am curious as to what you think defines someone to be a boy?

Thats a great question for me. Because I was treated and raised as a boy because of my genitals. But I remember thinking as a child I would one day prove them wrong, and I did.

For me being being a TS feels like rape yes. Emotional, physical and psychological. But not every Tgirl feels this way. We are no group actually and there are a lot of difference in genderdysforia.

But to answer your question... No my penis does not make me a boy. But what I do with it does. Thats how I feel it... and believe it to be. I dont hate my penis so much. I even enjoy getting rock hard and can even feel proud because of that. And I have reached my sexual potential... at least almost.
I am a pre op TS feminine bttm. Thats my sexuality... wether its oral or anal... I enjoy the two just as much.
Of course I would like to make love as a real woman with the body of a GG but I am at ease with my cock.

Its my overal looks that I feel more insecure about then my cock. lol
What makes a girl or boy isnt the genitals... Its not the looks even... its the heart and soul... thats what I believe.

At least its true for me.