17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[GroobySteven]

Can I add, to the forum basing of on Nicole, Ghetto comes in all forms, blacks did not create ghetto, there have been many ghetto's since the beginning of time, particularly the bohemian era, like in France, Romania, Italy, etc Ghetto is everywhere.

With all due respect (seriously) the word ghetto and it's usuage of the Jewish, or Polish, or Asian ghetto's of the past in European cities, was a word just to designate an area that was predominantly one race or group of people. There weren't the negative connocatations to how we apply to word now to inner-city run-down, poor and/or dangerous places.
Of course, poor and dangerous areas have been around since cities began but they weren't just one race or another.

[buttslinger]

I hope my post wasn't confusing Mr. Butt, can I call you Mr. Butt, sorry I had to say that. lol But I am just trying to put what could have been in the head of Zimmerman.

One time in DC I was so drunk I couldn't remember where I parked, and in a dark alley five black kids attacked me. Did I tell this story before? I went down on one hand and came up runnin'. Then I noticed I was chasing a kid. I went from scared to mad. He ran around a car and disappeared back into the dark alley. On the curb, beneath the streetlights, I screamed every demeaning racist slur I could think of into the black alley. When I ran out of things to say, I started repeating. When I was finished, I turned and noticed these four old black guys leaning against a nearby car.....Eyes wide open and jaws dropped...."Did they rob you?"
YEAH!!!!!!!
Yvonne, you can call me Butt, you can even call me Buttsy Whatsy..
There are two sides to every story, that's why we have JUDGES. Zimmerman has his side, he was protecting his neighborhood from thieves. He was carrying a gun for self defense. If he was wearing a Police Uniform, Treyvon would have explained himself, if stopped, and that would have been it. Even if Treyvon had beaten and stripped that guy in Baltimore, flown down to Florida to cop 10 kilos of coke, there was no reason to follow him in his aunt's gated community. You're presumed innocent. Until proven guilty. That's the first thing Zimmerman should had learned.
If you put your hands on a cop, you're going DOWN. They don't consider what they do a sport. They beat Rodney King because cops die in high speed car chases. I used to be a drunk driver, I had to learn the hard way that ain't cool. I'm probably more like Zimmerman than Treyvon, in fact I know I am. But he fucked up and killed a guy, and there's gonna be guys following him in prison........well, that's a whole nother thread.

[Nicole Dupre]

where i live, if u see someone out of the ordinary,especially a white person ect..it's automatically assumed they're looking for drugs

That sounds like Washington Heights. lol

[urbanchampion]

This half-black idiot President and his half-black idiot Atty General need to start leading all Americans...not just African-Americans.

Where's the proof that Eric Holder is "half-black"? And if you really want to get technical about it most African-Americans are "half-black", more or less, due to the One Drop Rule from a long time ago, but it's still perpetuated today.

The guy who actually was ARRESTED for assaulting a PO and for hitting his wife is an 'innocent'.
THe kid with the spotless criminal record is a 'thug'.

Gotcha.

[quote=mildcigar_2001;1119840]

I read his twitter feed:

“Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/se...#ixzz1rPQBR9J5

But I guess it is politically incorrect to mention that.

No, it's not politically incorrect to mention that. But in the process of mentioning that, please also take the time to mention the fact that Zimmerman is the one who actually has as criminal history. Yet you want to point out what he said on Twitter and edit your post so you can attach a photo of him sticking his middle finger up? Don't be picky, bro.

I think the above post underscores my point about social pathologies that run rampant in the black community. The poster is advocating mob violence against someone and thinks nothing of it.

Mark my words that this whole episode is going to backfire against the race hustlers, the black community in general, and Obama in particular. Just see what a race riot in FL does to Obama's reelection chances. The President should never have got himself involved in this mess. It just shows that he has very little self control.

I'm black and I don't advocate any violence towards Zimmerman. It's a shame that some people are. I'm not sure if giovanni's HOPES Zimmerman is attacked by someone. But, something doesn't smell right. False information about what Zimmerman did has been put out there by the folks who know him personally and by the police. If this is the case, then someone is trying to cover up something. Otherwise, why this huge scramble? Therefore, if something bad happens to him, I really don't care. I wouldn't care if his death photos get exploited on rotten.com. I don't have remorse for those who are guilty of harming the innocent. But I will say that Obama shouldn't said that Treyvon would have looked like his son. The moment he said that I KNEW people would jump all over him for it. And they did. People on this forum, the white nationalist trolls on Youtube, and Newt Gingrich.

cigar is a dumb ass what about all you redneck crackers perpetuating violence before and after Obama was elected and wob by a landslide majority. they called the potus a coon. left death threats militias were started ket you overlook this to state your racist views I am white and am disqusted by you and your ilk. there are murderers and psychos and criminals of all races and sexes.to your point there was a black woman beat 2 death by a hammer recently by a crazed white man, did not really make news guess why the man was arrested soon after the assault & is going to trial >how do you lie with yourself I hope one of your kids marries another race (you finish the thought you )fucking joke!!!!

This rant was unnecessary. But it should be stated that, yes, there were a ton of vile comments about Obama just before and after he won the election. That was to be expected. But...these were also from politicians. The e-mail comments and racist images that several of them were sending to one another as jokes were revealed to the public and reveals a lot about the true feelings/nature of those so called "conservatives" who try to make it seem that only liberals are racists (yeah...I'm sure that Americans with views that lean towards anything like Nazis, KKK, and Aryans vote for liberals/Democrats). Also, remember that some Neo-Nazis had guns and were trying to reach the area where Obama was when he got elected. And speaking of guns, I'm sure everyone remembers the Tea Party protestors who decided to carry guns to places where Obama would be speaking as a way to apparently show him that they believe in their right to bear arms. I can tell you right how that a lot of those people were more intertested in being an asshole and trying to intimidate someone with a thug mentality wrapped in what they see as "conservatism" and patriotism. And I'm sure none of them had racist thoughts about Obama, right? Sure.

In most states including the nation's capital, when you admit to murdering someone who's unarmed, you have to plead your innocence before a judge and make your case before a jury of your peers.

Most pussies don't get to go home the same night and sleep in their beds after crying to cops that a seventeen year old gave them a bloody nose in a fight they instigated and then cry , 'self defense'.

This is true, yet it apparently didn't apply to Zimmerman.

I am not saying who is innocent and who is guilty in this incident but maybe after watching my link maybe then you might understand what might be inside of Zimmermans head.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/0...ght-on-camera/

I know the two incidents are completely different but what happens in Baltimore is not a one time isolated incident. These types of attacks are quite common but for the most part go unreported cause the city is a one(liberal) newspaper town that edits heavily the local news. Maybe if these attacks by black thugs were to get under control maybe white people wouldn't be thinking criminal when they see a black guy. The violence is a two way street, it has to stop at both ends.

And I keep hearing how the Florida case is different cause no one got arrested, well the same happens with black criminals as well, some times they don't get arrested either. We had a prosecutor here named Patrica Jessamy who was noted for not prosecuting crimes committed by black guys even though the police had overwhelming evidence,, it does happen the other way.There was a case here in Baltimore different but still had racial bias to it, where a Chinese guy was robbed and killed, they caught the guy dead to rights but the mostly black jury let him go free, and one of the black jurors said he couldn't convict a black guy, he couldn't see another black guy go to jail. So to say that injustice just occurs to black people is silly.

And I still say to anyone on this forum who doesn't believe in what I say, just come to Baltimore and spend three months of the hot summer in the ghetto part and let's see what you think about justice, racism and all the other social babble you talk of. I would especially love to see our British liberal posters on this forum come to Baltimore, wear a hidden camera and walk about the bad parts of the city,, this scenario would be quite interesting indeed, you'll get to see racism from a different perspective.

I just feel that people seem to choose which incidents that are more serious or more news worthy than others but I feel that all violent criminals should be dealt with.

This is true. Racism and hate works both ways. White/black/etc will try to downplay and nitpick and complain and cover something up when someone else goes after someone who is of the same race that they are, and it's not right.

If one looks at the video link I put up you might se some similarities to what Zimmerman says.

On the video one guy punches the white guy and the back of his head hits the pavement That was just one guy who did the initial damage, the other thugs just robbed him. I wonder what would have happened if the white guy had a gun and shot the guy who hit him after he he hit the pavement. I know what would happen, Sharpton and his band of merry men would descend on Baltimore, Obama would add another son to his family and posters here would be writing for justice and how the white guy should die or go to jail for shooting a possibly unarmed thug. That might not be the case in the Florida shooting but one could see that it is possible that it could be the way it happened, how Zimmerman says it happened. Just think, what would happen if there was no video and the white guy in the Baltimore attack shot his attacker.

Another thing, would those other people in the video of the Baltimore attack say that the white guy was in the right if he shot the attacker or would they side with the black attacker?

You're right, the Reverends would do just that. I, along with a lot of other African-Americans who can actually use their brain don't give a fuck what those two idiots say or do. And OF COURSE, the stereotypical, lowlife, idiot black thugs (they all fall under the category of that one forbidden word that shouldn't be repeated unless you are black because it then all of a sudden isn't degrading and offensive; remember what comedian Chris Rock had to say about black people and then THOSE types of people; much in the same way you have white people and then trash that just happens to be white) would be against the man for shooting in self-defense. And I said it before and I'll say it again. Obama shouldn't have said that statement about Treyvon. That was bad news.

I understand what you are saying. I was not trying to say cause one group does something then it's OK for another group. I was just trying to say what I think might be in Zimmerman's head. I am not a citizen patrol person but I most certainly would cross the street or try to avoid a black guy walking down the same street, especially at night. Yes it might be racist but past experiences, videos like I posted and stories from other people make me cautious. I don't care if I offend anyone by crossing the street, I am not put in this world to please everyone's idea of life. Where I lived it's just common sense to be careful.

Again, Zimmerman was not just walking down the street as I was, he seemed to be on a mission but that is only from what I read so far. I was just trying in a way, why Zimmerman might have these prejudices or fears.

I also don't know all the facts. I also don't know what the law is about gated communities. Are gated communities similar in law to an apartment building. What I mean is if someone strange enters an apartment building is the doorman or some other person like a building super or block captain sort of person allowed to stop the person and question them, are they allowed to follow the individual in the apartment building. And does a gated community fall under the same rules/laws. That is if this even actually happened in the gated community, I don't really know personally the whole story. If the rules/laws are similar then it might be OK for Zimmerman(if he was a neighborhood watch guy) to follow the guy.

As far as shooting the guy, I can not say in this case cause I don't know what exactly happened, apparently Zimmerman seems to be the holder of the truth, if he tells it or not is something else. But if I was to be attacked by someone who is unarmed and they were to punch me like the guy in my vid did, then if I had a gun I would surely blow him away. I don't care about his life at all, he made the decision to die when he hit me.

I hope my post wasn't confusing Mr. Butt, can I call you Mr. Butt, sorry I had to say that. lol But I am just trying to put what could have been in the head of Zimmerman. And from talking to some older black people where I use to live, they had the same fears of young black guys as I did, maybe more so, cause I am able to move, they can't.

being a young trans woman i have the same apprehensions about young black men.i would be a lie if i didnt say that i get nervous when i see a group of young black men of a certain disposition.

no, neither one of you are wrong for feeling that way. be honest. I've been honest with all of the comments I've made in this thread, even expressing some views that were anarchic and probably crazy sounding to a lot of you...which is probably why nobody responded to my comments because you probably think I'm crazy, and you have a right to think that about me. Anyway, being honest, I have the same damn feelings. My black family has the same damn feelings. I talk to my black friends in real life and on the internet about how something just isn't right and they agree. Something really is fucked up and it's controlling people. There are things going on in society that have ruined certain groups of people and brainwashed them into falling into certain categories. Those who are in control of the "system" want this to continue and they want it to get worse and worse and worse as possible, so they can keep people organized in neat little units while they continue to fuck us all in the ass like worthless objects. People are controlled and they dont even know it. And you BETTER not think differently, and you BETTER not "WAKE UP" because if you do you'll get labled as dangerous and a threat to society, even more so than those who are totally brainwashed. I can't remember the name of it right now, but a bill has been or will be passed by the government which will allow them to seriously crack down on people it deems as being a threat because they have views that are out of the mainstream. That can cover people from Black Panthers and other black radical groups, suspect Muslim groups, crazy Christian groups, Neo-Nazis and other white radical groups, the gun crazy militia people in the mountains of Idaho, all the way to people who are just fed up with the bullshit the system is doing and they're outspoken anarchists (who don't hurt people) and 3rd party voters who don't want Democrats or Republicans. Everyone on the "outside" (whether you're good or bad) gets lumped together with this bill. People need to wake the fuck up.

[EvonRose]

With all due respect (seriously) the word ghetto and it's usuage of the Jewish, or Polish, or Asian ghetto's of the past in European cities, was a word just to designate an area that was predominantly one race or group of people. There weren't the negative connocatations to how we apply to word now to inner-city run-down, poor and/or dangerous places.
Of course, poor and dangerous areas have been around since cities began but they weren't just one race or another.

It was a few example, my point was the black community did not create the term or lifestyle... it's been around.

Fuck my nail broke typing this! Its a sign that your evil...

[giovanni_hotel]

Yvonne, if you KILL a guy after he punches you, in most cases you're going to jail for manslaughter.

So kill all you want, just know that the law doesn't give you a pass to MURDER someone just because they hit you.

[hippifried]

If one looks at the video link I put up you might se some similarities to what Zimmerman says.

On the video one guy punches the white guy and the back of his head hits the pavement That was just one guy who did the initial damage, the other thugs just robbed him. I wonder what would have happened if the white guy had a gun and shot the guy who hit him after he he hit the pavement. I know what would happen, Sharpton and his band of merry men would descend on Baltimore, Obama would add another son to his family and posters here would be writing for justice and how the white guy should die or go to jail for shooting a possibly unarmed thug. That might not be the case in the Florida shooting but one could see that it is possible that it could be the way it happened, how Zimmerman says it happened. Just think, what would happen if there was no video and the white guy in the Baltimore attack shot his attacker.

Another thing, would those other people in the video of the Baltimore attack say that the white guy was in the right if he shot the attacker or would they side with the black attacker?

What makes you think the black dude was the attacker? That's not what the video shows. Now I don't know if there's more video that shows what happened prior, but the linked clip shows the black dude walking away & the green shirt pursuing him & closing from behind. That guy had to take a step foreward & spin around to throw the punch. The back of the green shirt blocks the view, so there's no way to tell if mister glass jaw laid a hand on the guy before he got cold cocked, but that shouldn't matter. He wasn't going to shoot anybody, because he was down for the count. What happened afterward is irrelevant to the question of who was attacking whom. Race has nothing to do with that. Sure you're not being blinded by preconceived assumptions?

That's the trouble here. The book is fuck-assed-backwards. The stand-your-ground-law is a ridiculous, dangerous and irresponsible piece of asinine boilerplate legislation from ALEC.

Maybe. I haven't read the law itself, but from what I can see, it seems to be misapplied or misunderstood more often than not.

[yodajazz]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latasha_Harlins what this case reminds me of.

Its been over twenty years, and I vaguely remember hearing about this case. But after reading about it, I can understand why the community was so incensed. Five years probation, community service, and a $500, from killing a 15 Black girl over an altercation over a bottle of orange juice. And the girl died with the money in her hand, strong evidence the girl had intended to pay for it. Thanks for the reminder about this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latasha_Harlins

[yodajazz]

My bad too. So I'll revise my most appropriately.

"He was detained and released as shown when he was taken to the police department . They went by the book. "__yourdaddy.

That's the trouble here. The book is fuck-assed-backwards. The stand-your-ground-law is a ridiculous, dangerous and irresponsible piece of asinine boilerplate legislation from ALEC. Have you ever heard of one civilian shooting another dead minutes before the police arrive and the gun is not temporarily confiscated for lab analysis? Apparently in Florida it's against the law to stand your ground using your fists and your box of skittles, but it's A-OK to single out, hunt down and murder an unarmed kid whose guilty of being black---oops! I mean guilty of being a suspicious visitor to the neighborhood (wearing a hoodie, being black, talking on a cell phone and rattling a box of skittles). Before stand-your-ground Zimmerman would've been arrested, not simply detained, and the crime properly investigated. The law is an obstruction of justice and an declaration of open season on racial minorities.

The shooting happened on Feb 26, but it didn't really gather media momentum until about the second week of March. It's not like this crime sparked flames of anger that were just waiting to ignite; rather people slowly became aware of the merits of the Martin's case, the travesty of justice that followed the shooting, the widespread adoption of the idiotic law (written by the NRA in boilerplate form) that let Zimmerman off the hook, and the obvious racial overtones of the shooting and coverup. All these things come together in this single case. That's why it's news.

According to an article, I just read, in Florida claims of justifiable homicide have tripled since the law went into effect. It claims the police acted properly in accordance with the law. So as long as you can come up with a good story, and your primary opposing witness is dead, the police are not even allowed to make a full investigation.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...ation-to-kill/

My my understanding is that Zimmerman's family has a legal background. So he could have understood the implications of the law before he left his home.

[yodajazz]

[quote=mildcigar_2001;1119866]

.......equals the DEATH PENALTY, because a fatass punk starts some bullshit he can't finish and is a purebred pussy.


I think you have it backwards. It appears that Treyvon was the punk who couldn't finish what he started.

I agree with you, Trayvon could not finish what he started. He started off by going to the store for candy and a beverage. He was unarmed. He had no police record. He is now dead, as we know. The man with the weapon admitted to killing him. Many people are suspicious. In the mind of most, it would finished with a thorough inestigation, which would include a court proceeding. In the mind of most Americans the concept of Justice includes trial. And guess what, the officers charged with the first and only, on-the-scene investigation, felt that Zimmerman should have been charged. Perhaps he is innocent as he claimed. However, I have seen many times in the movies, where a person injured themselves, in an attemp to justify a self defense claim. So this is one reason, why so people, are seeking to understand what the real evidence is in this case, and why it is news. Violent things happen everyday, and it makes the news, also. This news story is about finishing, what was said to be, a trip to the store for candy. It's ending up to be a lseeon to ther world, about American Justice.