Shemales are just men... don't take my word for it

[runningdownthatdream]

That's the pretty typical response MacShreach. But ask yourself why do you feel the need to reach so far in their defense when they don't need defending? I'm sure there are several girls who will take offense to some of the things I've said simply because it goes against the "illusion" and that's just something you don't do. But why would anything I said upset you? Especially when I didn't say anything that should offend or piss of anyone (most notably the parts about how I love transsexuals and I think it's a great thing in itself--incase you missed these parts).

Come on people lighten up. If you want to convince yourselves that they are woman no different then your mother then by all means do that if it helps you get through the day.

Me myself I prefer to live in reality and see there transsexuality as a virtue instead of something that is to be frowned upon. Now who sounds more like the person who hates transsexuals? Me, a person who blinds himself totally from the true self of the person he's dealing with. Just something to think about but I'm not expecting anything other than attacks to come from you at this point so fire away.

Do yourself a favour: read Trish's post.....over.....and over........it may eventually sink in.

[SammiValentine]

understanding gender is a really big headfuck, why the op started this fishing trip... :O

[dafame]

Do yourself a favour: read Trish's post.....over.....and over........it may eventually sink in.

I read it. It was a great post but didn't apply to me. I agree with much of what she said.

[Kayden Harley]

I don't necessarily agree with EVERYTHING in that video, but I appreciate her approach. She repeats that this is HER opinion, and I have to respect that.

As many have already sain on this thread, we're all entitled to our opinions.

[giovanni_hotel]

The OP was trolling. Looks like he caught a bucket of fish.

I still say being born 'male' or 'female' and being man or woman aren't one in the same; the former doesn't assume the latter.

If in the deeper psychological recesses of one's mind, they KNOW they are a man/woman, you can't say their birth sex trumps all.

Knowing that no human being is absolutely 100% male or female anyway, we all share traits and characteristics with the opposite sex, I don't know why conceptually some posters are so adamant that transgendered women are self-delusional.

People desire to live in a simple two-dimensional world, black and white. THe problem is the world isn't that simple.

THis entire argument reminds me of Black folk who try to claim ALL biracial people (Black and White parent), as Black, regardless.

Some biracial people identify as Black, yes, like the POTUS. But others really live a life in-between without claiming either as an identity, because they are technically both.

I know TGs face this kind of bigotry passed off as 'truth' IRL, but I don't know why these gender evangelists still spew this garbage on a board like HA.

If society accepts that it's normal for someone to be attracted to the same sex because it's a genuine psychological impulse, why are we still running into the wall of societal orthodoxy when it relates to gender??

[SammiValentine]

The OP was trolling. Looks like he caught a bucket of fish.

[needsum]

not to change the subject, but Damn Sammi, I don't need a bucket, just 2 handfuls will do. you look AMAZING in your avatar pic.... yummy!

[SammiValentine]

not to change the subject, but Damn Sammi, I don't need a bucket, just 2 handfuls will do. you look AMAZING in your avatar pic.... yummy!

aaw thanks - I had got dolled up for a "dinner kinda date booking thing" and liverpool had just beat manchester utd so that helped me look happy xxx

[needsum]

well if you could see me right how you'd know I was happy too.... vaVOOM!!

[MacShreach]

The OP was trolling. Looks like he caught a bucket of fish.

I still say being born 'male' or 'female' and being man or woman aren't one in the same; the former doesn't assume the latter.

If in the deeper psychological recesses of one's mind, they KNOW they are a man/woman, you can't say their birth sex trumps all.

Knowing that no human being is absolutely 100% male or female anyway, we all share traits and characteristics with the opposite sex, I don't know why conceptually some posters are so adamant that transgendered women are self-delusional.

People desire to live in a simple two-dimensional world, black and white. THe problem is the world isn't that simple.

THis entire argument reminds me of Black folk who try to claim ALL biracial people (Black and White parent), as Black, regardless.

Some biracial people identify as Black, yes, like the POTUS. But others really live a life in-between without claiming either as an identity, because they are technically both.

I know TGs face this kind of bigotry passed off as 'truth' IRL, but I don't know why these gender evangelists still spew this garbage on a board like HA.

If society accepts that it's normal for someone to be attracted to the same sex because it's a genuine psychological impulse, why are we still running into the wall of societal orthodoxy when it relates to gender??

Thoughtful post, Giovanni. I think the problem arises from a fundamental moral absolutism--that is to say that everything is either 'yes' or 'no', 'black' or 'white' 'male' female' etc. I think this comes from the absolutism implicit in the monotheistic religious culture that even today, for better or worse, informs our society. People are predisposed towards absolutist answers; the trouble is that people are human, and thus a species of living thing, and natural science tells us that within each species there is variation. Everything is a continuum, not an on/off switch. So people's sense of gender identity is really varied, just like their sense of orientation. One of the nice things about this board is you really get to see a lot of examples of that both from the men and the women.

It really can't come as a surprise that someone who does not have a standard alpha-male sense of gender will spend a lot of time wondering what the hell is going on, when they live in a society that preaches an absolutist viewpoint. At the end of the day though, if that person is happier and more fulfilled understanding that whatever she was handed at birth, she's a woman, then that's what she is, just as much as if she decides that she's not a woman or a man but somewhere in between. This is all quite natural, and the reason there is a Kinsey scale for sexuality, and a Benjamin scale for gender identification. (Yes I know about Blanchard/Bailey, but that work has been completely shot to bits in the scientific literature and I won't waste time on it here.)

Did you know, BTW, that the ancient Persians had at least six genders that were accepted within their ideology? And they were not the only culture to be much more relaxed about this sort of thing.