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    Default Re: Obama is smooth...

    Quote Originally Posted by onmyknees View Post
    And I love you, but that don't mean I think you should be running the country.
    Thats being said I still think he will win..



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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyShore View Post
    They have stated PUBLICLY anything he tries to pass they will deny!
    Isn't that what Nancy Pelosi said after the 2006 mid-term election. ("We are the party of descent. It is patriotic to disagree with your president.")


    Just because I'm telling you this story doesn't mean that I'm alive at the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyShore View Post
    Do you see how almost all that is from Fox news and lies (slander)

    Fox news is the problem with voters...
    No.... I, actually, don't watch Fox.
    But, Kelly, there was an interesting study done up in Canada. It stated that people in positions of power come to believe in the justness and merit of their elevated status and with that comes the belief that they're above the law.
    Now, we need to remember that President Obama isn't, say, Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie or George Clooney. Yes! He is a celeb. But he's part of a very different animal, as it were. It's the structure of power. As I've said before: what does power want? More power.
    Now, Barack Obama is probably a very nice person. He's nice to his wife, his kids etc., etc. But when he's president, well, he has to assume a different persona, as it were.
    The American psychiatrist Robert J. Lifton coined the term: doubling. Ya know, in our private lives we're nice to our neighbors, friends, family pets, wives, kids.... But when we're in a corporate or government setting -- and especially high up -- we assume a different mindset. Because the system demands it. Again, it doesn't mean to say the person isn't nice. It simply means he or she has to assume the role. Whether it's the CEO of a Forest company or the CEO of McDonald's.
    Take McDonald's. The CEO of McDonald's can be the nicest guy in the world. Ya know, nice to his kids, wife, neighbors etc., etc. But in his INSTITUTIONAL ROLE he has to give the order to slaughter millions and millions of animals. But, again, he is probably a nice guy. This doubling, as coined by Robert Lifton, applies to all of us. It just depends on what institutional role we are carrying out.

    So, let's start with the seemingly left-liberal Rachel Maddow on Obama:


    And the leftist Noam Chomsky:


    Obama on Gitmo:


    Anyway, Obama is a brand. As articulated by the left journalist Chris Hedges:



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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyShore View Post
    The majority? You mean people who were paid off to report something?

    Or Republicans themselves....

    Obama took over for a man who ran us in the ground...after 8 years of crap and lies!

    American's have only themselves to blame for this.

    The congress keeps blocking anything Obama tries to help the middle class or create jobs...because they want him OUT!

    They are supposed to represent the people and choose the best decision for the people...

    But they don't..they Republicans want it to be RICH people Poor people!

    And that's the fact...

    People vote against their social standards all the time, and it's like you don't make a million dollars a year! Why are you voting for Republicans?

    People never take the responsibility of who they voted for! You PROBABLY VOTED FOR BUSH...So if our economy is down...well pat yourself on the back and look in the mirror!
    cosign times a trillion!



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    Quote Originally Posted by onmyknees View Post
    Kel....With all due respect....I'm tired of seeing Obama's face everywhere except where it should be....behind his desk trying to hash out some solutions to the monumental problems we face. Nice voice...nice family ...shitty leader. And oh yea....take this over where it belongs...on the political boards. I like to look at girls when I sign in here...not a guy crooning for dollars while Rome burns.
    it's part of the game. He's gotta come to New York and make nice with the rich Jewish folks so they'll pay some of his campaign bills. Then hang with celebrity brothas later in the night.
    All Romney has to do is write a few million dollar checks outta his hedge fund. And besides, Romney couldn't get a table at a decent Manhattan restaurant and no one wants the wacko any wheres near here. Could you imagine Mormons in Harlem?



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    Quote Originally Posted by onmyknees View Post
    NO no...it's not Congress fault...It's Bush's fault. Didn't you get the memo? LMAO .......Or maybe it was just Bush's fault when he had veto proof majorities in both houses for 2 years and could have passed anything.....but wasted it. Keep the change Kelly.
    And therein lies the key... people often forget that the Democrats and crew came in the House & Senate to power not in 2008 or 2009... but as a result of the 2006 elections... not to mention the 2 years they ruled unopposed with Obama as President.

    Kelly is right on one part... things are improving... sorta... but at such a mind bogglingly slow rate that it is hard to credit the President or any of his policies with supporting it.

    Take unemployment as one example:



    While it is true that we are not losing jobs as fast as we once were... losses at that rate were never sustainable and would have leveled off as it has at ~400k first time unemployment claims a month.

    A month to month GDP in the range of 0.5-2% sounds good (it’s positive after all)... only in order to get us out of the slump we are in… 5-10% is what is needed... for many many consecutive months. There is no sign of that on the horizon, instead we continue to limp along.

    Let us not forget that this President set the bar pretty high... promising to cure all that illed our economy seemingly overnight (or at least by the end of his first term)... and in doing so he has failed... which means we really have two choices... either we...

    1. Give him another 4 years as President because we are that certain that he will do in a second 4 years what he failed to do in the first, or…
    2. Try something/someone else who has a different vision of how to help get the American economy back on track.

    It is easy to blame Bush for all that is wrong in the world... the unfortunate fact is that just about anything you can try to pin on Bush-43, Obama-44 has doubled down on.



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    you younger folks need to go Google the 1996 Presidential election. The last time a culturally popular Democratic incumbant President was challenged by a Republican nominee the Democrat won 379 electoral votes, 109 more than what was needed for victory. Local Republican honchos were embarrassed to have to show up with the Rep party's nominee when he came to campaign in their states.
    Just like Gov Christie will become Mr Invisible when Romney comes to Jersey next summer. Maybe the Gov will persuade Snookie and the Situation to stop by but I doubt it.
    New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, New Jersey, Michigan, Wisconsin, California, And Massachusettes are done deals for Obama. in the bank. before the polls open.
    doesn't leave much left over for the church of later day saints



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    Quote Originally Posted by flabbybody View Post
    you younger folks need to go Google the 1996 Presidential election. The last time a culturally popular Democratic incumbant President was challenged by a Republican nominee the Democrat won 379 electoral votes, 109 more than what was needed for victory. Local Republican honchos were embarrassed to have to show up with the Rep party's nominee when he came to campaign in their states.
    Just like Gov Christie will become Mr Invisible when Romney comes to Jersey next summer. Maybe the Gov will persuade Snookie and the Situation to stop by but I doubt it.
    New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, New Jersey, Michigan, Wisconsin, California, And Massachusettes are done deals for Obama. in the bank. before the polls open.
    doesn't leave much left over for the church of later day saints
    Sounds like someone needs to Bing (we don't Google in my house) who was on the ticket that year... or the distribution of votes.

    Had Ross Perot not been on the ballot, things very well could have gone the other way for Dole... just as if Ron Paul does opt to run 3rd party, he will guarantee an Obama reelection.



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    Quote Originally Posted by flabbybody View Post
    it's part of the game. He's gotta come to New York and make nice with the rich Jewish folks so they'll pay some of his campaign bills. Then hang with celebrity brothas later in the night.
    All Romney has to do is write a few million dollar checks outta his hedge fund. And besides, Romney couldn't get a table at a decent Manhattan restaurant and no one wants the wacko any wheres near here. Could you imagine Mormons in Harlem?
    Ah, this is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen written here. Such a angry person. I pray that you will be more tolerant toward others in the future.


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    I have a lot of problems with Obama, but he's like a jillion times better than any of the other possibilities. The Republican candidates literally say things that sound retarded, and I hate using that word pejoratively, but I can't think of a better one.



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