Girls, what do guys do that turns you off?

[runningdownthatdream]

I'm still in old fashion values, if a man wants me he will ask me out, a woman should never ask a man out... In my culture men ask the woman out... it ruins the energy of courting because once a woman leads, the man takes the position of a woman, which in today's society seems common. If a woman supports in any way, do not expect her to be a lady to you, if she is bossy and controlling that's because the energy shifted.

That's what I have noticed in american society men complain women are not feminine enough but i see men are not masculine enough, it makes sense...

I see some truth in what you are saying - at least in North America. There has been a shift in traditional roles although I think it may be limited to the larger metropolitan areas. Men are taking on more feminine traits and women more masculine ones - there is good and bad to this in my opinion.

[nonnonnon]

I blame the hormones in the water and plastics
now where's my purse?

[EvonRose]

I see some truth in what you are saying - at least in North America. There has been a shift in traditional roles although I think it may be limited to the larger metropolitan areas. Men are taking on more feminine traits and women more masculine ones - there is good and bad to this in my opinion.

In how I see it its all bad, most women would never date or respect a man for that role change.

Men complain now why they cant get a girl, this is one reason, women look for chivalry in a man and that's dying out in american culture... I do however still see it in Asian Americans, and Latin Americans...

[Prospero]

Come to the UK Evon - chivalry here is alive and well.

Oh and in response to whoever suggested that Evon "hates men' on the basis of her list of things that she doesn't like in men. That is such a daft remark. The things she lists are all pretty irritating IMHO.... a lot are the sort of things that would annoy anyone and are scarcely grounds for calling her a hater.

[EvonRose]

Come to the UK Evon - chivalry here is alive and well.

Oh and in response to whoever suggested that Evon "hates men' on the basis of her list of things that she doesn't like in men. That is such a daft remark. The things she lists are all pretty irritating IMHO.... a lot are the sort of things that would annoy anyone and are scarcely grounds for calling her a hater.

Thank you, I am a woman and men irritate me, but im sure i irritate men but don't mean we hate each other.. lol..

Chivalry is definitely needed for me to date a man, I don't care how good looking you are, you make me pay for dinner I am walking out and flipping my hair... There are exceptions. But you wanting to save money, or you don't have any is not a good excuse...

[Prospero]

Evon. Good point about paying for dinner and some other traditional male behaviour towards the opposite sex. There was certainly a phase a few years ago when young women bristled with indignation if their dates playedt hat role - automatically assuming that the guy picks up the tab for dinner etc. Once upon a time men used to automatically stand when a woman got up from the table or entered the room etc. Few do that now (though i have one old fashioned friend from a privileged background who still observes these formalities) It was against their feminist principles. Things have moved on but how many TS girls are also radical or even moderate feminists I wonder? Do you girls want to be accorded the behaviour and courtesy traditionally shown by gentlemen to ladies - or do you want to be strong independent modern young women with total equality in a social context to men?

[EvonRose]

Evon. Good point about paying for dinner and some other traditional male behaviour towards the opposite sex. There was certainly a phase a few years ago when young women bristled with indignation if their dates playedt hat role - automatically assuming that the guy picks up the tab for dinner etc. Once upon a time men used to automatically stand when a woman got up from the table or entered the room etc. Few do that now (though i have one old fashioned friend from a privileged background who still observes these formalities) It was against their feminist principles. Things have moved on but how many TS girls are also radical or even moderate feminists I wonder? Do you girls want to be accorded the behaviour and courtesy traditionally shown by gentlemen to ladies - or do you want to be strong independent modern young women with total equality in a social context to men?

Those qualities are dying out here in America... The guy should always pay for a date, and women have their responsibilities in the relationship as well, that most modern women don't live up to either.... There has to be balance if they are both acting in feminine roles wheres the masculine? vice versa... I encourage women to be independent, so they have something to fall back on until that special man comes along then you can make your decisions then. Well to impress me I need a traditional gentleman and I will look down on anything but, kinda snobby but whatever... It's my upbringing as a fillipina woman...

[AngelinaTorres]

We're guys, we're known to do stupid stuff- especially when it comes to trying to attract a partner.

What do we do (that we must think makes us "cool") that just makes you want to laugh in our face or run away?

Help us out!

hate men who wants to lick my face ( )

[Yvonne183]

Evon. Good point about paying for dinner and some other traditional male behaviour towards the opposite sex. There was certainly a phase a few years ago when young women bristled with indignation if their dates playedt hat role - automatically assuming that the guy picks up the tab for dinner etc. Once upon a time men used to automatically stand when a woman got up from the table or entered the room etc. Few do that now (though i have one old fashioned friend from a privileged background who still observes these formalities) It was against their feminist principles. Things have moved on but how many TS girls are also radical or even moderate feminists I wonder? Do you girls want to be accorded the behaviour and courtesy traditionally shown by gentlemen to ladies - or do you want to be strong independent modern young women with total equality in a social context to men?

Very good point Prospero about the feminist thing. While I don't consider myself a feminist in the way I want to push my agenda in the faces of others, but I do believe all people are equal and that gender roles are not as strict as they once were. I feel glad that gender roles have become more fluid, But just as I saw it in tgirl bars back when,it seems tgirls kinda adhere to the old ways. I do in a way understand why this is, maybe it is a way to separate themselves from anything male, which would include the role of males to females that society tells is the way, or at least what society of old told us what was the way to live. I am quite happy that for the most part gender roles are not as strict, I feel I fit a little bit better in society this way. OK my area of society is a bit weird, with weird people, but when I venture into suitsville, some of those people now have a better understanding that we all don't fit into that box that people lived in years ago. Because of the feminist movement, some men do acknowledge that women don't have to play those roles they did years ago and as well, tgirls don't have to fit into these roles either.


For me, I want to be treated as a human, I would like respect and not much else. I would gladly pay for dinner with a guy if I had the money, and if we both don't have the money, then sitting on the stoop all night eating pizza, pitching pennies is just fine with me. I am with the guy not cause he plays a role of a man, I am with the guy cause I like him and want to be with him. He doesn't have to dress fancy, a tshirt if fine, I am with him cause I like him. But those guys are far and few in my past life, today I just want a guy who won't use me for a punching bag. lol Hey, maybe in a way I am playing a typical female role when a guy uses me for a punching bag, I play the typical role of a woman in the TV show COPS.


I might be wrong with this next comment, I can't stereotype all gays, but most gay guys and girls can love each other without defining male and female roles in their relationships, then so can I.

Sad to say, but we are brainwashed a little bit by what the media and Hollywood shows us. What other reason could there be for rap music to be so popular, lol Sorry bout that. Even though Hollywood seems liberal, just look at most of the actresses and women on the news networks, most keep to a Barbie style looks, a heavy weight girl is not usually used in these positions unless a movie wants a nut job girl or a victim. I read where English actress Dawn French came to Hollywood to play a role and she was turned down cause she was over weight, yet she is one of the funniest people I saw on Brit TV.

Disclaimer of sorts- I am not saying how others should live their lives, everyone should be free to live the way they want and that means having a guy pay things for them, so be it, as long as they are happy is all that counts.

PS- I forgot to answer the OP question. I don't like guys who damage my body with pain, I am well capable of doing that myself. Stop beating me. Yes you, I know you read this forum.

[Gambino]

hate men who wants to lick my face ( )

Wtf? That's weird, then again do are foot fetish's to me