RIP To Troy Davis

[fred41]

Can't really argue with that...No one "thinks" they're going to get caught.

But, when it comes to those punishments, i'd rather see 9 guilty men live than one innocent man fry...No matter what it costs me in tax dollars.

Has nothing to do with tax dollars. Almost no one REALLY bases his decision on this topic in "tax dollars". It's usually just added as an after thought.

...the rest of that sentence... that's your reason to be against the death penalty. If you're sincere (and I believe you are), then stick with this because it's unassailable.

Personally , I don't have a problem with a death penalty myself...but it's a moral issue ...so there is no "definite" right or wrong answer...but it's the type of issue that a thinking man may constantly change his mind on.

[arnie666]

Some white supremicist got the death penalty this week as well for dragging some negro to death using his truck.I don't hear people crying about him or trying to influence the jury to change their pleas so he didn't die. I think the white supremicist deserved to die, just like the cop killing savage, as he behaved like a savage also and is a disgrace to the white race. How can he claim he is superior to Black people when he behaves worse than many Blacks would ever , and is in the same league as the blacks in africa who chop limbs off with machetes?

[Prospero]

Yawnnnn... do you have any knowledge of history Arnie?. The savagery inflicted by every group of every colour, race and creed through history is legend - and the white 'race' is every bit as guilty as every other one.

I would have objected to the execution of the white supremicist every bit as much as the killing of Troy Davis - though in the case of Davis there is clearly significant grounds for believing he may not have committed the crime. The trouble with killing by the state is that those later found to be innocent (and there have been plenty of accepted miscarriages of justice in England in the past few years) cannot be freed or be given recompense, can they. Revenge is not justice.

[russtafa]

hang them all and let god sort them out

[Prospero]

Pure enlightenment and intelligence from our Australian neanderthal I see.

[mtbazz]

Sounds like a deterrent that might actually work.
Let's face it, the death penalty doesn't.

If someone is intent on committing a crime, no deterrent is going to work. Doesn't matter if it is life in prison doing solitary confinement or the death penalty.

[Silcc69]

Some white supremicist got the death penalty this week as well for dragging some negro to death using his truck.I don't hear people crying about him or trying to influence the jury to change their pleas so he didn't die. I think the white supremicist deserved to die, just like the cop killing savage, as he behaved like a savage also and is a disgrace to the white race. How can he claim he is superior to Black people when he behaves worse than many Blacks would ever , and is in the same league as the blacks in africa who chop limbs off with machetes?

[Ben]

The first vid clip w/ Thom Hartmann is quite frightening:



And Noam Chomsky. Explicating that corporations, as institutions, are psychopathic; they've no moral conscience.
They can't, by actual law, have any other concern besides maximizing short-term profit. I mean, future generations have no value under the institutional structure of a corporation.
It's not the people who work in them that are pathological. But the institution itself demands that people be less than human. And as Chomsky explains: the nature of being human allows for all sorts of behaviors. Any one of us, under some circumstances, can either be a monster or a saint.
Sad thing: our culture has adopted corporate values. THAT'S THE CRUX.
And, too, we're inundated with corporate propaganda (advertising) from infancy, through school and into adulthood -- and throughout life. And it tells us, teaches us, in essence, that we should only be concerned about ourselves. No one else matters. The unborn -- meaning future generations -- don't matter. And it's very rational. It's called rational self interest. It's scary. But rational.
We're what's called: Rational Wealth Maximizers. It's completely rational under the ideology that we're taught. And that's why it's so frightening. Ya know, you're only concern is short-term personal gain. Nobody else matters. You're kids and grandkids don't matter.

[Helvis2012]

Terrible.

[hippifried]

Really now? tens of thousands of yankees who are fleeing to the south to escape high taxes, over regulation, crumbling inner cities, joblessness, generations of one party rule, and ineffective schools.

They won't be coming to California either. The only kind of business our state government knows is monkey business. The present environment for business ends up chasing much of it away. My money stays in my mattress not moving an inch.

You're both full of shit. They're just trying to get out of the snow. They used to come out for the season, & go back when the sun came out again up there. About 35 years ago, it started becoming aparent that more & more of them were willing to brave the summers down here rather than put up with blinding sleet at any time. A huge chunk are retirees. When the circulation isn't what it used to be, you can't get too warm. They're moving to CA too. There's so many people already that it just isn't as noticable. They move to the LA megopolis for opportunities. The retirees go anywhere else, especially heading south. It's gotten hard to find a place to live in San Diego nowadays. The 2 main reasons people move anywhere is opportunity & weather. Either can trump the other. Nobody's moving to Arizona, Mississippi, or South Carolina because they like the wages. Businesses go where they can service the big manufacturers, & the south is where the Asians set up shop.


I have no idea how this got into this thread, so back to Troy Davis.

He did it. There's no doubt, reasonable or otherwise. There was no mistaken identity. There was no racism in the jury deliberations. He was a vicious professional criminal. He was trying to beat another guy to death or close to it, & shot the off duty cop because he tried to interfere with his fun. Fuck him. He's dead, & good riddence. He got 20 years more than he had coming because everybody wanted to make sure.

To whom it may convern,
If you're going to argue in favor of abolishing the death penalty, YOU WILL LOSE if you continue to try & make assholes like Troy Davis into innocent victims or martyrs. I'm ambivalent, but y'all need to do a better job of picking your battles. The hue & cry over this one was a major mistake.