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Every person in that video was fucking annoying
One thing I love about River...she knows her shit. I love following her on Twitter.
She does, but if she spent more time actually listening and then giving a measured response, then she might actually get a point across that would sink home. She comes across as annoying as those fools, to take seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
I agree with Steven 100 percent
Yes, she's awesome. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
not even with whiskey I can talk at that speed
I think we already heard the old worn out pedofile argument that transgender persons should be kept from using the public restroom of their choice. Alluding to it is sufficient. Neither the audience, nor River Stark needed to hear it all the way through again. So I'm with her on that one.
The only other opposing voice repeatedly expressed the desire that River Stark not identify as a transgender women and simply be a woman. This confusion is based on gender identity versus identity with a community (a community that currently is under attack by numerous conservative state legislatures throughout the nation that won't allow transwomen to simply be women). So I'm with River Stark on that one too.
Her style is not my style; but I gotta admire her.
When someone starts spouting off about "we are all the same" I have to instantly dismiss them as idealists fantasizing about a Utopia. The cold hard reality is that we're not all the same and these differences directly relate to how people are viewed and treated by society as a whole. Denying this reality means I don't have time for a discussion with said person. Also I'm not sure how someone can complain about people asking for healthcare. The Army was just audited and fudged their accounts by trillions of dollars. The F-35 fighter jet that the military spent 1.5 trillion on doesn't even work. I'm pretty sure that amount of money could cover all the desired medical costs of any citizen of the United States and all education as well. So in my opinion these individuals arguing against her are either unable or unwilling to see the bigger picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by IHEARTKALENA
dreamon hates that I love following her on Twitter. Trump lovers in general hate that. Tough shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
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Originally Posted by Ben in LA
Is it really necessary to broadcast who downvoted you?
Actually I think it should be a general feature of the board. Down thumbing someone without even taking part in the discussion is akin to drive-by cat-calling: legal, but rude and uncouth. I should know: I've done it myself, although I don't think I'd mind if someone called me on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNuts515
There is such a thing (as Steven Grooby correctly pointed out) called "listening"......Or in the case of forums, "reading"....Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
....the military doesn't spend the money, the taxpayers do....and it's the weasels in Congress that appropriate the funding. My memory is a bit hazy on this, but I recall hearing something about how, not only does it not work, but the Pentagon doesn't even want them and won't use them. May have been some other kind of military hardware instead of a fighter jet....either way, it's just plain Wrong. The reason they don't cut the funding is b/c it creates jobs in their gerrymandered districts for the constituents who keep voting to send them to Washington to do nothing. What a country, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRatKing
I agree, and I have no problem with lurkers. But should a listener express a negative judgment - in the form of a thumbs down - I'd like them to own up to it and let us know who they are. Like I said, I'm sometimes guilty of this myself, though I try not to do it often. If they don't, there's nothing wrong with the poster letting us know who delivered the drive-by judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
I'm not sure how you inferred from my statement that tax payers aren't the ones footing the bill. The military gets a budget, and then they spend the money. Hence the military spent their money on the F-35, which doesn't work. My statement is valid when stating that the military spent the money on the F-35. Congress simply appropriates a budget, they do not tell the pentagon how to spend the money. The issue is the lack of control congress and the president have over how the pentagon spends their money. Remember that whole 9/11 tragedy? 9/10 Rumsfeld made a statement that the pentagon misplaced 2.3 trillion dollars. The records were in the accounting office which was to be investigated. Guess what got blown up the very next day? The accounting office at the pentagon with all the evidence. The level of corruption on all fronts is beyond the comprehension of the average citizen. If the average citizen understood what really goes on they would revolt against the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by EZWind
From your perspective, why doesn't a "thumbs up" require explanation?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
LOL. I downvoted him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNuts515
He needs to get off HA and get ready for his debut in TS porn I'm about to film.
Not that it matters, but the govt has not spent 1.5 trillion dollars in the F-35.....itis projected to spend that much over the nearly 60 year projected life of the airframe. But dont let facts get in the way of a good rant.
I presume that if someone gives you a thumbs up, they agree with your argument. I don't require them to provide provide an independent route to the same conclusions I've drawn. If someone gives you a thumbs down, I presume they believe there is at least one flaw in your argument and I would think it would be in everyone's interest to disabuse us of that flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
You going to ask Radius Dark why he voted down then?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
No. It hadn't even occurred to me, after two pages of discussion, to ask. I'm not that curious about it, nor is it the issue I thought you and I were addressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
My position is that there is nothing wrong in saying 'so and so down-thumbed this post of mine,' nor is there anything wrong in asking them to join the conversation to clarify their position. My position doesn't demand that you do either of these two things; the choice is yours. So if you're curious go ahead and ask him. It be nice to know why anyone so objects to Ben's post they feel compelled to down-thumb it. Do they not think that River Stark "knows her shit." If not why not? Do they not like the fact the Ben thinks she knows her shit? Do they not like the fact the he follows her on twitter. Maybe Ben just gets on their nerves. So sure, if you're curious, ask.
I'm triggered.
As an example: Lordworm, having taken no part in this conversation so far, simply down-thumbed post #15 in this thread. Normally I’d ask what it is he disagrees with in that post; but since there’s nothing there that any reasonable person could possibly disagree with, I’ll assume he’s just having some fun.
Trish, the same thing happened to me in a recent thread. I posted a simple statement of fact, which bluebottle downvoted and I called him out on it. After a sarky reply from him, I asked why he'd voted the way he did. His only response was to downvote another of my posts, proving that he was either trolling, or as I suspected in the first place, a complete idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
The voting system on here isn't anonymous and I see no reason not to remind people of that occasionally. If you downvote, be prepared to have a reason why or be prepared to look like a prat.:shrug
I upvoted you because I agree with your statement above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laphroaig
And as GroobySteven down-thumbed post#24, I'm thinking there are times when you just shouldn't feed the troll :)
I downvote Holzz quite often, because nearly everything he posts is drivel. I don't feel it's necessary to explain every time I disagree with the nonsense he posts.
Excellent strategy, 'cause if you don't post an explanation he can neither counter it nor down-thumb it. Double win.
I don't give a shit who votes me up or down, I don't know any of you in real life. It's REALLY not that serious.
So why did you just take the time to reply? i agree it's not serious, but still you do seem to give a shit (maybe just a wet fart) about what we think of you, even though you're using an alias; nothing to be defensive about, it's just human nature.
I think you are misreading my tone, I'm certainly not upset or trying to argue with you. As I said, I don't know you, so it's not like I can place your opinion of any of my posts in any context. You can like me or not, I just think calling people out for down votes is silly and narcissistic. This is the last comment I'll be needing to make on this subject, it's pretty cut and dry.
Again, I agree it's not all that serious. No big deal. So why do you do it? Why do you feel compelled to leave little anonymous droppings of your opinions on a discussion as you read it? It must matter to you REALLY, albeit in some very small way. Why are we having this conversation at all, if it doesn't matter in the slightest what we say and how we express ourselves to anonymous folks we never met?
Actually I believe it's you that's trolling here.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
The up/down vote is intended as a way to 'nod agreement' or 'shake a disagreement'. It doesn't need explanation, apart from in a very few exceptions. I use it when I don't want to leave a response, or explanation but just don't like a vote - or if during a thread I see someone say something I agree with.
If you want to get in deeper asking why someone didn't like something, then by all means go for it but complaining that there wasn't an explanation given, well look at your post and wonder why some people may not like it - or don't.
Arguing over internet points FFS Reddit is that way >>>>>>>>
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Ten of my ten posts (in this thread) are reasoned responses to other posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
Post#8 addressed the OP’s posted video.
Post#12 was an unsolicited response to post#11, which I made because the issue does indeed concern me.
Post#15 responds to an objection.
Posts #20, 22 answer direct questions.
Okay, maybe I was trolling a little in post #24 and 27, though they were responses to negative, albeit anonymous one-bit (in the sense of being binary; i.e. 0/1) opinions.
Post #29, 31 and 33 are responses to the ongoing discussion, which admittedly has diverged away from the original topic of the thread. Sorry for the hijack. I shall cease and desist.
(Thumbs up for the polite and reasonable presentation of a different point of view.)
I don't like Trump, he's an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
Of course it needs an explanation. If we were all sitting at a table having a discussion and one person was just shaking their head in disagreement the whole time you would be asked why you're shaking your head. Up/down voting is one of the worst ideas to come to the internet since CAPTCHA. Utilizing up and down votes is simply another mechanism for passive-aggressive people to take advantage of on the internet. It may not be what you use it for but it truly serves zero purpose. Instead of actually having to voice an opinion you can go around up voting and down voting without being challenged on your ideas. Especially when anonymous up/down voting is allowed. The idea of simply saying you agree with something or disagree with something without providing the why is paramount to poor communication and facilitates lackluster discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
Its just a simple way to provide feedback for those who don't want to, or don't need to, provide a more detailed comment, and helps prevent the forum being cluttered up by short responses like 'thanks' or 'I agree'. Sure, there are people who use thumbs down for immature and/or spiteful reasons. It's a bit annoying, but it has no real consequence and is just the superficial judgement of someone you don't know and will never know. The only way it can really hurt you is if you waste time stewing about it.
I gave you a thumbs down simply for humor (I'm a little drunk).Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2