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The BBC and other media are reporting an attack by a gunman on the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida who has barricaded himself in the club with hostages. As this club is popular with transgendered people I hope none of our friends have been affected by the incident and that the casualties are minimal. The Guardian report is here followed by a direct link to the club's website.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...b-pulse-gunman
http://www.pulseorlandoclub.com/
Apparently the shooter is dead now
More than 20 people have been shot, it said on the news, very sad event again.
Very sad,
prayers go out to the families
that was crazy because orlando just had a shooting on saturday too.
shooter's name was Omar Mateen, google images has pics of him in 2 NYPD shirts, not that it means anything but someone will rip into the dept. about that Im sureQuote:
Originally Posted by CoolAwesomeBXDude
Update is now over 50 dead and over 50 wounded!!!
Just heard one of the NYC girls made it our safely. She was scheduled to perform there last night.
More death from the religion of peace and open borders policy. So tragic.
I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner .It's a rude wake up call ,it's our turn now. My condolences....
A truly horrible slaughter. I'm still in shock. I do hope all of my friends here and all of your friends are safe. My heart goes out to those who have been murdered, injured or traumatized.
Omar Mateen is an U.S. born citizen. His parents were born in Afghanistan. He may have had issues with sexual orientation. He may have had connections with ISIS. No one is sure of anything at this point in time, except that he was alone and armed with an assault weapon.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...do-killer.html
It appears that the shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS. I don't know what else motivated him but the murder of people at a gay nightclub is consistent with ISIS' worldview (not exclusively ISIS but we've all heard the gruesome stories of ISIS pushing gay men off of buildings). Still waiting for more information.
Sympathy goes out to the victims and their loved ones.
The article says he has no direct links to ISIS although the FBI was interested in him (I presume his online activities indicated sympathy with ISIS). Omar's father says, "the sight of two men kissing angered" his son.
No harm has ever come from waiting for all information to come in, because the tragedy is the same regardless of motive. He may have had many contributing motives, including very relevant personality and psychological factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Sky news has said ISIS have claimed responsibility.
Just seen CBS reporting the same on twitter. ISIS is claiming Omar is one of their 'soldiers'.
Claiming responsibility is such a source of pride for ISIS. What a bunch of sick fucksQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
It's never clear what "claiming responsibility" means: directing? egging on? applauding? Or just a desire to fuck with our general election?
There are clear protocols for claiming responsibility. It is know and recognised by intelligence groups. There is a verification.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
ISIS is making the claim at the moment and I'm not impressed with their adherence to 'protocols'. I expect shortly the FBI or other Federal authority will confirm the claim. Confirmed or not, ISIS is happy for the chance to play with our internal politics.
Like Trish I'm waiting to hear confirmation that ISIS knew in advance let alone coordinated it. ISIS' word means nothing. It is possible that shooter was an ISIS supporter based on online propaganda without ISIS knowing of his existence until the atrocity. Such a volatile topic I'm gonna wait until at least tomorrow to say anything more. Very sad.
In my opinion, which means nothing in this situation. I think the shooter was a sympathiser for ISIS. ISIS then claimed responsibility. Trish, I assure you there are clear protocols for claiming responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
This is the biggest mass murder in US history, I am not surprised in the slightest that ISIS have claimed responsibility. Its a shit state of afiars. Prayer are with the fallen.
There are clear channels for taking responsibility. Evidently that is what happened. Keep in mind how adventagous this could be for ISIS to claim. I have no idea if there was collusion with ISIS (in my heart I doubt it) but there are very clear ways to claim responsibility. There are protocols.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
I know it's your conversation but I'm just not sure what this means. Does it mean that all terrorist organizations follow some external guide and will not claim responsibility unless they meet those guidelines? What are these guidelines and why are they so sanctified that a group that murders people without qualms would not claim responsibility whenever it suited their agenda?Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
You're saying it's been confirmed that they claimed responsibility I take it. Not that their claiming responsibility has a fixed meaning (ie. that they actually were involved operationally or offered guidance to the shooter).Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
It has been confirmed that they have claimed responsibility. There are fact checks before these things are reported. With SKY, CNN, confirming. I can only assume the fact checks were completed.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Also broncofan, its not me saying this, it the news Sky, CNN, and others. I was just talking about a protocol for taking responsibility (it exist, and has for a very long time.)Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Its not really like that. Think of it this way.. If you were part a group with a political agendanand resorted to violence, would you want random nutters causing violence in your name....? Let's say a school.. Killing children. You would not. If you research it you will understand what i am saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Please understand, I am not playing clever dick here. I was just stating that there are protocols.
Guy was already on an fbi watch list.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
funny fact...did you know you can be on the terrorist watch list / no fly list but they can't transfer that info to the local police department where you submit for your fire arms permit? how messed up is that! the FBI can know you are whacked out of your mind but can't tell the local PD!
Yes, I already mentioned he was on the FBI's radar (presumably for his online activity).Quote:
Originally Posted by BCboyCOMINGatYA!
That is a distinct possibility, which raises the question I asked before, “What does responsibility mean?” Was Omar acting independently? If so was it driven by religion, hatred of gays, self-hatred, or all three. Was he being egged on by or directed by ISIS?Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
At this point I know as little as anyone else. I’m inclined to think he was a self-hating gay who was being played by online fundamentalist groups - perhaps ISIS.
My immediate concern is for my friends, acquaintances and others who are immediately impacted by this horrid tragedy. I’m literally sick.
My secondary concern is the larger impact this is going to have on our LGBT community, the Muslim community and the larger populace. If we respond with undirected hatred we are only inviting more of the same. If the West rejects Islam without reservation, it will only alienate and create more deeply troubled young men and drive them to violence.
If the FBI actually knew this guy needed help, they probably should've intervened, or at least made sure he wasn't able to obtain an assault weapon.
No surprise really. One group doesn't want the other to know (various reasons) its also political. Rewards come with big prosecutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SXFX
Dog eat dog
Your heart is right. I feel the same. Politics are at play. The shooter commited no crime not allow him weapons (there can be an endless debate over that) end of the day he did,Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I personally don't believe he was directly link from a tactical point of view. It may be the case from an ideological point of view. End of the day people are dead. 50 people, and I believe the number will rise by the morn.
Today is a new day. If an enemy announce itself in todays world.,,, then we should not ignore.
But another important thing is .. Let's not forget to love each other and support each other in this time of desperation.
Fuck him
Love you all
Yeah,...me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
We are all in this together. God bless us all, let love each other. It's simpleQuote:
Originally Posted by fred41
RIP to the 50.
Thoughts and best wishes to the survivors.
Please don't think this was spur of the moment...................................
Omar's pops
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...+Daily+News%29