Can You Be Considered High Class When You Sell Sex?

I read a thread on here recently, which I can no longer locate, so I have started a new thread. It made a very interesting point about having class, and selling sex .... and how really the 2 ideas conflict with each other. It raised the point that to sell yourself for sex to another person, eliminates the possibility of having any class whatsoever. It raised a similar point for porn stars.

This was actually raised by a ts girl,who herself was an escort,and it is a point I agree with, I mean no matter how much money you make as an escort, you cannot buy class. You can live in the middle of Mayfair, Chelsea, Upper Manahattan or Beverly Hills, you can wear Chanel, Fendi or Versace, you can stay at the Ritz or the Dorchester, but none of this gives you class, you either have it or you do not. When you sell yourself for sex, you can call yourself High Class, and you can charge ridiculous amounts of money ... but when it all comes down to it ... you are a prostitute, plain and simple.

In the a fore mentioned thread, some people people felt that class was defined by personality, and how you treat other people. They felt that a lot of these girls have no option but to escort, due to their looks, and how passable they are. Due to them being alienated by their family, and friends, and being black balled by society. I used to be in this group of thought too.

However, when you have a girl who has had so much surgery prior to the age of 19, that she has finished her transition. Who is so convincing, she could do anything she wants. Who has the support of her family and friends in her transition. Who has a place at university studying law. Who drops out, sells herself for sex, against the wishes of her family, in turn alienating herself from them, and takes crystal meth. Can she really be considered high class? or even low class for that matter? I'm sorry but in my humble opinion you cannot possibly be described as having any class at all. Calling yourself high class, or a VIP and charging people excessive amounts of money doesn't change this fact .... it simply means people are dressing something to appear as something else, in order to stroke ones own ego, and I feel That! ..... is quite sad.

I agree with you 100% but you gotta keep in mind that most of these girls are delusional and think money can buy class, so let them think the way they want to think.

Ok, come on, name 'em, who knocked you back? :shrug

Knocked me back? Rather cynical, and quite far from the truth. No naming names, Im in enough trouble as it is. Someone I used to date, who I ex-communicated actually. Due to the points made above.

So, not cynical at all, really! :shrug

If you've an axe to grind, why not come out and say that, rather than beat about the bush. :shrug

No, no axe to grind.

On the previous thread, people made the argument that most girls have no choice but to do it. I was merely using my personal experience to highlight a point that this is not always the case, and that some people make a choice to do it. Hence raising the issue of the class debate.

I will say no more on this thread myself, other people can give their opinions, which is the point

Can anyone be considered high class if they sell their labor; i.e. burn their own calories to provide a service? Whatever that service may be? How about if they grind burrs off molded aluminum beer steins? Or shuffle papers in accounting? Feed and mow lawns in Beverly Hills? Or draw espressos for the patrons of a coffee shop? A blow job is a blow job and every job is a blow job. Who’s to judge whether the people giving them or the people buying them are high class? If you find worth in your work and you do it well, what the hell?

Isn’t the whole notion of class a bit repulsive? It’s just an excuse for passing judgements on personal worth. E.g. He’s just a blue collar worker. She’s a prostitute and always will be. [Just last week an escort in these forums called me a prostitute! WTF?] If you’re okay with yourself and what you do to supplement your income or make a living, that’s class enough for me (as long as you aren’t hurting anyone in the process).

huh? yes you can..

let's be clear, you are incorrectly painting all sex workers with a broad brush.

prostitutes are streetwalkers - selling sex on the street to random johns for 50 quid

we are talking about escorts/companions - selling sex online for much higher rates to a much wealthier clientele.

So your premise is false on its face. High class escorts are way way way above prositutes, even though the actual definition is the same.

i don't see what other people judgement has to do with self worth? screw that idea! we all are valuable spiritual beings.. this whole thing is absurd..

Ok I said I would say nothing else but I have to comment on what Christian has said.

That is exactly what I am talking about. Because you sell yourself for more on the Internet to richer people, in what way does that produce class exactly? Whether you sell sex for 50 bucks or 250 bucks it does not redefine what you are. If I sell hotdogs for 5 bucks and someone sells his for 205 bucks are we both not hot dog vendors?

your analogy is flawed. if I sell some fake cubic zirconia for 10 bucks and someone sells the Hope Diamond for 22 million bucks are they both jewelers? don't be ridiculous. one is high class and one is not.

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Originally Posted by Fairly Lussier

Ok I said I would say nothing else but I have to comment on what Christian has said.

That is exactly what I am talking about. Because you sell yourself for more on the Internet to richer people, in what way does that produce class exactly? Whether you sell sex for 50 bucks or 250 bucks it does not redefine what you are. If I sell hotdogs for 5 bucks and someone sells his for 205 bucks are we both not hot dog vendors?

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Typically, if you sell a $5 hot dog, it'll be at a hot dog cart or a food truck. It might be a tasty hot dog but no one will confuse that with class. On the other hand, if you sell a hot dog for $205, people will expect it to be stuffed with foie gras, served on white linen tablecloths on fine china, with waiters, a wine list and in a cozy little dining room. People will associate that experience with class. You are decidedly NOT both hot dog vendors.

Fairly Lussier - BANNED - same asshat that was causing trouble yesterday.

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Fairly Lussier - BANNED - same asshat that was causing trouble yesterday.

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Wow you're really on a role this week :nervous:

i tell you guys he is on a mission

he seems to be bitter at everything right now

wb Robbie

Could you be more clear about why you don't like him?

no one likes him :(

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no one likes him :(

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You're pretty much next on the ban also.

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Could you be more clear about why you don't like him?

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Read him going ballistic when I tell him we won't do his fantasy.


http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=92282

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You're pretty much next on the ban also.

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Steven Grooby great guy hansom with an excellent sense of humor and a snappy dresser

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Steven Grooby great guy hansom with an excellent sense of humor and a snappy dresser

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A bit better if you could have checked the spelling first.

internet its srs business

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Read him going ballistic when I tell him we won't do his fantasy.


http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...10&postcount=3

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I didn't know you always wanted to be a pilot

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I didn't know you always wanted to be a pilot

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I meant astronaut, no I meant Michelin chef, no I meant ... or any other career that was highly likely to be unattainable for me.

Awe poor grooby, he never wanted to be a porn producer - he just wanted to be somebody :(

It must be just awful

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Awe poor grooby, he never wanted to be a porn producer - he just wanted to somebody :(

It must be just awful

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:-( Life turned out so wrong ...

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:-( Life turned out so wrong ...

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See everybody Mr Grooby isn't all that bad, he's just misunderstood is all

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I meant astronaut, no I meant Michelin chef, no I meant ... or any other career that was highly likely to be unattainable for me.

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in the words of the greatest executive transvestite ever...."look, you're british so scale it down a bit, alright!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGGeLHnDQk8

there is no point in answering the original question because my answer is 100% predictable.

I don't think selling sex in and of itself makes anyone low class. Especially people who cannot find decent paying jobs due to discrimination.
Some escorts are low class, (and no I DO NOT mean anyone on this site) the ones who rip guys off. But that is because they are thieves,not just because they escort. There are honest and dishonest people who are escorts the same as there are honest and dishonest doctors, mechanics, construction workers, librarians, and so on.

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

let's be clear, you are incorrectly painting all sex workers with a broad brush.

prostitutes are streetwalkers - selling sex on the street to random johns for 50 quid

we are talking about escorts/companions - selling sex online for much higher rates to a much wealthier clientele.

So your premise is false on its face. High class escorts are way way way above prositutes, even though the actual definition is the same.

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I respectfully disagree. I don't think this is an entirely fair statement. For some, it might be a matter of circumstance. Not everyone has the means to work as an escort/companion.

Hell no we aint got no class! When you're a hooker, everyday is Saturday. Aint no school on Saturday.

Class is a perception. It's only as accurate as known history would insist. If a room full of nobodies knew no better, a convenience store hooker could have "class" so long as she looked and behaved the part.

Honestly, though; nobody I know has any real class.

Wow, this post brought GrimFusion back out of hiding. Impressive. Welcome back, dude.

Yes, I believe you can have class and sell sex. Of course, it all comes down to just exactly how you define class in an individual. For me, it's more about the innate qualities that a person possesses. How you treat people, your respect for your self and others and your sense of fair play and dignity should be weighed more than how you measure up next to a theoretical standard which most people probably base on superficial things like clothing, the way you communicate and how much money you have.
Think of all the horrible things people have had to do during war time to survive. If you lived through Stalingrad and had to eat rats to survive would you be any less classy?
Eating a rat with a knife and fork: Not necessarily classy.
Sharing your rat with someone starving to death: classy.
John Gotti in a $3K suit: Not Classy.
Homeless guy defending young TGirl from taunts of passing assholes: Classy.

Yes, I think you can still respect yourself and sell sex for a living, even if you are not forced into it by circumstances. I think it just depends on how you view the act of sex and it's level of intimacy for you and how you go about selling it. For me, it's not that much different than providing a legitimate massage. For others it's a big deal.
Finally, for the record, I prefer the ones without class.

Dear Quote Investigator: There is a famous story about sex and money that I have heard in myriad variations. A man asks a woman if she would be willing to sleep with him if he pays her an exorbitant sum. She replies affirmatively. He then names a paltry amount and asks if she would still be willing to sleep with him for the revised fee. The woman is greatly offended and replies as follows:

She: What kind of woman do you think I am?
He: We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.

This joke is retold with different famous individuals filling the roles. Often Bernard Shaw is mentioned. Might also be Lord Beaverbrook of the great nation of Canada.

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Dear Quote Investigator: There is a famous story about sex and money that I have heard in myriad variations. A man asks a woman if she would be willing to sleep with him if he pays her an exorbitant sum. She replies affirmatively. He then names a paltry amount and asks if she would still be willing to sleep with him for the revised fee. The woman is greatly offended and replies as follows:

She: What kind of woman do you think I am?
He: We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.

This joke is retold with different famous individuals filling the roles. Often Bernard Shaw is mentioned. Might also be Lord Beaverbrook of the great nation of Canada.

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I believe Winston Churchill quoted this as well

Whilst I can't actually be bothered to look up the actual definition this really depends on your notion of what 'class' is.

If the suggestion is class = quality service then I'd say of course an escort can be high class, much in line with what Christian said earlier. It would come down to expectations and hoping to get what you pay for. The analogy that springs to mind being air travel - if I book and pay for first class, I expect a much better standard of service.

I think the OP was certainly a bit sour though and meant class in terms of character which is of course totally wrong. Whatever job you choose to do (or have to do) has no reflection on whether you are a classy individual or not and his attempt at suggesting all TS-girls who escort aren't classy simply whiffs of someone who is not happy with his own individual experiences.

[QUOTE=NearBostonMass;1588776]Yes, I believe you can have class and sell sex. Of course, it all comes down to just exactly how you define class in an individual. For me, it's more about the innate qualities that a person possesses. How you treat people, your respect for your self and others and your sense of fair play and dignity should be weighed more than how you measure up next to a theoretical standard which most people probably base on superficial things like clothing, the way you communicate and how much money you have.

Eating a rat with a knife and fork: Not necessarily classy.
Sharing your rat with someone starving to death: classy.
John Gotti in a $3K suit: Not Classy.
Homeless guy defending young TGirl from taunts of passing assholes: Classy.

Yes, I think you can still respect yourself and sell sex for a living, even if you are not forced into it by circumstances.

I agree with many points made here. I respectfully disagree that you can have respect for yourself if you sell sex for a living. Also in line with your point about possessions, and clothes and superficial things... anyone who escorts and is not forced to do so by circumstance ... they do it because they are wholly superficial. Otherwise ......... why would they do it? And anyone who does crystal meth, certainly doesn't respect themselves.

I don't know about high class, I am more concerned with the Ruling Class, as they seem to get away with theft and murder on a scale that sets them apart from everyone else.