Rant about shemales

Hey everyone,

long time viewer, first time poster.

Im sorry but i really need to vent this, and interested to see if anyone gets the same thing, maybe its just the girls in Sydney.

So i use various social media apps Blendr, skout etc to find and talk to shemales because its what im attracted to and what i want basically so ill talk to a couple and you know they seem cool down to earth and ill invite them out to dinner or drinks and they refuse, instead and this happens all the time they say no you have to pay. Im like pay, pay for what im inviting you to dinner not an orgy then they say if you want to sleep with me you have to pay.

this happens to me everytime, and its annoying because sure i want to sleep with them but its not like thats the be all and end all i want to conversate etc and it pisses me off that i have to "pay" for that, even though i can afford it i dont do it out of principle no woman would ever make me pay to take them out to dinner so why do shemales do it.

Rant over it really annoys me does that happen to anyone else?

You could start by changing your terminology so you can at least show you're educated enough on the subject to be able to take a girl out for dinner.

I have a pretty substantial relationship that started off with me as a client.

You invite people out to dinner but you won't pay for their dinner?

Same as Saifan here, had a few starting as a client and one of them lasting for more than 6 years... the greatest part was that she was a top only dominant girl and with me, only me actually, she was 100% passive bottom... can't ask for more!

You say : "no woman would ever make me pay to take them out to dinner" if she was a GG escort and you didn't know each other, of course she would make you pay for her time spent at a restaurant...

Salut

If I read the original post right he's saying he goes on dating apps/sites meets someone, asks them out and then during the date they basically reveal they are an escort. So TheFrenchman's point about GG escorts doesn't really work, I mean whether they are a TS-girl or a GG if they were an escort I would expect to know before we were at dinner.

Of course if you invite someone out to dinner I think there is a certain expectation you would be paying for the meal and drinks; it's not like a couple going out on a regular basis and splitting the bill after all.

But I have heard of escorts (to be fair the instances I've heard of were GGs) before using social media apps to get taken out and then surprise the guy during the 'date' with the fact they are there as a working girl; I have to say if I were placed in that position I would excuse myself and leave. The only decision I would have to make having been lied to would be whether I settle the bill on the way out or leave them to deal with the consequences of their lies.

Anyhow, perhaps try to be clearer in your original post.

Since when does dinner guarantee sex on the 1st date, LOL?

Oh I agree there should be no 100% expectation of first date sex but sometimes it happens, unless it wasn't a date and you were with an escort who went to dinner with you having pre-arranged what was to follow.

I just think the original post was a bit blunt in how it was put; he goes on a date with someone he thinks is hot so a natural conclusion would be if it goes well it might lead to more, of course it just happens to be dinner does go really well because they are going to hit him with the 'by the way I'm an escort' surprise.

At least that's what I think he means.

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Originally Posted by Lester316

Oh I agree there should be no 100% expectation of first date sex but sometimes it happens, unless it wasn't a date and you were with an escort who went to dinner with you having pre-arranged what was to follow.

I just think the original post was a bit blunt in how it was put; he goes on a date with someone he thinks is hot so a natural conclusion would be if it goes well it might lead to more, of course it just happens to be dinner does go really well because they are going to hit him with the 'by the way I'm an escort' surprise.

At least that's what I think he means.

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Seems like this is happening before the dates even happens:

"ill invite them out to dinner or drinks and they refuse, instead and this happens all the time they say no you have to pay. Im like pay, pay for what im inviting you to dinner"

Ah good point, I misread that originally.

I guess then it's still an issue of misrepresentation in a way anyhow, if he's meeting them on a dating app like Tindr or whatever, chatting to them and then asking them out it would still be a surprise to be hit with the 'I'm an escort' reveal. But if that's the case at least it's much easier to tell them to bugger off for misleading him and didn't hit him in the wallet as he didn't pay for dinner etc.

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Originally Posted by saifan

Since when does dinner guarantee sex on the 1st date, LOL?

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Good point.

Sounds like OP is halfway there, though- he understands it's going to be a transactional relationship, he just doesn't understand where the transaction is.

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Originally Posted by AshlynCreamher

You invite people out to dinner but you won't pay for their dinner?

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Anything on the dollar menu.

Max. two items, and you pay the tax.

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Originally Posted by Tapatio

Anything on the dollar menu.

Max. two items, and you pay the tax.

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Good thing I only eat the pickles from the burger! :p

my apologies for 1- misuse of terminology and 2- not being clear in my post, my post was written out of frustration.

Lets get things clear, i do not expect sex on the first date this is the whole idea of going on a date it is to get to know the other person its to see if your personalities match etc.

I understand that you might be in a relationship with your client and thats great but it doesn't feel right (personally for me anyway) that i could date someone that i used to pay for sex, it doesn't sit right with me.

So no i dont expect sex on the first date, yes i would pay for dinner but in no way should i have to pay for her to come out to dinner, and then pay for dinner the whole point of going out is to get to know each other i dont want anything from her and it should go vice versa in my opinion, meaning she shouldn't just expect me to pay for her 'time' thats bullshit, UNLESS it was a transaction of money for sex, but a date isnt a transaction and to the person who said relationship is transaction i disagree entirely, relationships are supposed to be deeper than physical attractions and actions.

So just to be clear is this a case of people chatting to you on things like Tindr and it turns out they are escorts?

I mean if so I can see the frustration, but if it's gone no further than online chat surely just block them for being misleading and move on.

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Originally Posted by saifan

Since when does dinner guarantee sex on the 1st date, LOL?

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When a beautiful TGirl invites me out to dinner on our first date: and then pays..she is getting laid, or I am.

Happens all the time :-)

Maybe you should try "in person" meeting, you know, like in the good ole days.
Worked out for our parents yeah?

Go to a club/bar...

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Originally Posted by EvaCassini

Maybe you should try "in person" meeting, you know, like in the good ole days.
Worked out for our parents yeah?

Go to a club/bar...

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great idea !

Unfortunately i have no idea where to find them in Sydney, used to be a club called Taxi Club but its shutdown plus i heard it was pretty sleazy. There isn't (to my knowledge) a club for transsexuals or a club where TS women go in Sydney, 'the scene' probably isn't as big relative to other nations maybe in the future, perhaps this a business opportunity for me ;)

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Originally Posted by Lester316

So just to be clear is this a case of people chatting to you on things like Tindr and it turns out they are escorts?

I mean if so I can see the frustration, but if it's gone no further than online chat surely just block them for being misleading and move on.

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yep its on Tinder etc its really frustrating man ! ive seen in US they have clubs etc for transsexuals wish i lived there would be so much easier then having to deal with this nonsense.

I am positive there are an abundant amount of gay/lez bars all over Sydney.

You will find them there. I guarantee that.

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Originally Posted by youngfit93

my apologies for 1- misuse of terminology and 2- not being clear in my post, my post was written out of frustration.

Lets get things clear, i do not expect sex on the first date this is the whole idea of going on a date it is to get to know the other person its to see if your personalities match etc.

I understand that you might be in a relationship with your client and thats great but it doesn't feel right (personally for me anyway) that i could date someone that i used to pay for sex, it doesn't sit right with me.

So no i dont expect sex on the first date, yes i would pay for dinner but in no way should i have to pay for her to come out to dinner, and then pay for dinner the whole point of going out is to get to know each other i dont want anything from her and it should go vice versa in my opinion, meaning she shouldn't just expect me to pay for her 'time' thats bullshit, UNLESS it was a transaction of money for sex, but a date isnt a transaction and to the person who said relationship is transaction i disagree entirely, relationships are supposed to be deeper than physical attractions and actions.

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I was a client exactly 1 time. I've know this girl for 6 years now and she is now one of my best friends. I don't understand the hang up with "paying" for it. Your problem as that might be how you're meant to find your "soul mate".

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Originally Posted by saifan

I was a client exactly 1 time. I've know this girl for 6 years now and she is now one of my best friends. I don't understand the hang up with "paying" for it. Your problem as that might be how you're meant to find your "soul mate".

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I'd say that's a little unfair Saifan, yours is a very unique situation and can hardly blame the original poster for wanting to meet someone separate to meeting them as an escort, particularly seeing he already has had negative experiences with escorts.

On another note to the original poster Eva is right, if there aren't TS specific bars/clubs head to other LGBT places, people have to have someplace to go after all.

OP, thanks for clarifying.

But if she's an escort, you are DEFINITELY paying for her time or you aren't seeing her. (Not at first, anyway, unless she picks you up- and that's probably not happening online.)

In the US time is all you pay for. Anything even close to sex is incidental. It says so right on the escort ads.

If you choose to take her to dinner while paying for her time, you pay for that too.

If your complaint is that too many TS are escorts, that's a different rant.

The moment a trans girl senses that a guy wants them for what they are rather than who they are it becomes a cash only proposition. That's the nature of our particular little slice of life. Interaction with a guy has to be 100% fluid and organic and we generally have to pick YOU - not the other way around. This means most dudes interested in us have to pay because the level of game you must possess is beyond the scope of most men who are into us.

It's why 'transbianism' is becoming so popular amongst girls these days. Why put up with bullshit and creepy guys when there are people in this world who you can readily identify and connect with without any weird hassles?

Protip: Wanna score a tranny with ease? Be born one.

theres only afew trans girls ive ever really liked or been bothered with just go for a cis girl my friend less complicated just trying to get with some trans girls not worth it especially if they work in the adult industry which tends to turn people into asshole no offense to the pornstars and not everyone in the adult industry

Porn doesn't turn people into assholes. The business attracts a certain kind of person. Assertive, personally ambitious, image conscious, self important, sharp tongued natural promoters searching for a buck and the next big dopamine fix.

Assholes.

(This is not an indictment. Possibly a thinly veiled bio.)

i made no statement on your character lol nothing wrong with being assertive or confident unwarranted self importance really rubs me up the wrong way so you fuck for a living lol dosnt make you the shit get back down to earth with everyone else lol

And another post goes soaring over another head.

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Originally Posted by itsnotme

i made no statement on your character lol nothing wrong with being assertive or confident unwarranted self importance really rubs me up the wrong way so you fuck for a living lol dosnt make you the shit get back down to earth with everyone else lol

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ok i see what your saying now at least you know your abit full of yourself :P

get out... meet people.... TALK to them... like they are... you know... people, not objects of sexual desire.

worked for me.

What it boils down to, what everyone is telling you is... you gotta up your game. Gay bars, yup. Got a problem with that, then you're not upping your game. Meet someone on Tindr, don't immediately ask her out. Look around, maybe she does erotic chat. Pay for a couple of private sessions, she sees you got game and then maybe she's cool with going out to dinner.

Someone on another thread quoted some stats... something like 0.6% of the people of the world are transsexuals. The number of trans admirers is probably 10 times that number, if not more.

You got a lot of competition, dude. Again, up your game. And if you're fit, as your handle seems to indicate, and you have money, as you've indicated, then what the fuck... spend some of it.

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Originally Posted by Jamie French

Porn doesn't turn people into assholes. The business attracts a certain kind of person. Assertive, personally ambitious, image conscious, self important, sharp tongued natural promoters searching for a buck and the next big dopamine fix.

Assholes.

(This is not an indictment. Possibly a thinly veiled bio.)

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Well I am surprised that the TS Porn industry consists of far nicer people than I expected. Actually above average compared to the typical banker, businessman, trophy wife, lawyer, or politician.

Life is transactional. Once in a while we have a friend with benefits that loves sex with you without any effort or cost by you. Consider yourself lucky.

I have had conventional girlfriends, dated in my earlier life, been married, had exes, have kids by different moms, and I see escorts. Well I must say the cost for each of these come out very similar if measured in effort + cost. The exes cost the most, but that is at the end. Wifes are not cheap and need a lot of maintenance. A rental for an hour or night can be the most fun.

Because of their lack of opportunity in today's economy, a lot of tgirls are forced into sexwork to make ends meet. Well dating needs to pay as they do not have other sources. Being a client does not mean you cannot be more if the two of you hit it off. I have a GG and TG best friend that we do a lot of things together with that I met as a client.

There are things that are unique with tgirls, I think seeing providers is a good way to learn the ways of tgirls. I have generally found that the sessions cost but dinner and hanging out are more likely off the clock.

In your worries, remember they need to make a living themselves, then what you contribute makes sense.

you all seem to miss the point that there is no point chasing after a girl if all you like about her is shes trans

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Originally Posted by itsnotme

you all seem to miss the point that there is no point chasing after a girl if all you like about her is shes trans

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Actually no... that's exactly what everyone is trying to tell YOU lol

And people wonder why many guys think all tgirls are escorts.

The OP is going about it the right way, he's got to seek out transwomen because the reality is it's unlikely he's going to casually meet someone at a local bar or club.
Too bad the girls he's meeting are working an angle.

One screen the OP should do is find out what a girl does for a living; if she has a 9 to 5 that pays her bills, he's less likely to run into a situation where she drops a hourly rate on him when the topic of sex comes up.

If a tgirl is kind of vague about her employment, assume she generates a bulk of her income from tricking.

As a guy into tgirls the numbers just aren't in your favor.

If GGs had a rare or unusual attribute than men found irresistible, like a pussy that made your dick permanently bigger from fucking her, GGs would charge most guys to have sex with them too.

It all depends how much work the OP is willing to put in for the chance of finding a TS interested in a relationship.

They are out there, but if you come at it from the adult entertainment industry side, girls are going to have a hand in your wallet as soon as your dick gets hard.

good points being raised.

My problem isn't that they work in porn (if they do), its a profession like anything else but if the very first time we speak she is putting her hand in my wallet i'm suspicious. i mean her first move is to my wallet not to understand me im sorry but i cannot accept someone saying you have to pay for her time, why should i? (if im only taking her out to dinner, if i was asking for sex different story)

Yes relationships are transactions but not just financially, they're various other "transactions" i.e time, emotional transactions etc etc but if the first thing she does is reach for my wallet then how do i know she is with me because i Am me, or with me because of my wallet. This is the problem.

Someone raises the point of ts in the workforce forcing them to become escort and thats a fair point, i didnt factor that in.

someone also said that guys like TS because of what they are not who they are, but that argument is invalid because i can apply the same thing to women guys like women because of their big ass or big boobs or whatever the case however the women do allow men to take them out to dinner and allow the guy to get to know each other WITHOUT the guy having to pay for the time. So if you want a guy to like you for you not what you are you're going to have to let the guys get to know you WITHOUT forcing money because from the get go the guy is going to be questioning whether its a string along and imagine if i paid the time to take a TS girl out and she was a real bitch im going to fuming, ive just spent money on dinner and her time and turned out to be a bitch, see my point?

Someone said up my game i think you're right this may sound ridiculous but im not fan of gay bars, infact not really a fan of the gay scene at all i cant handle over the top flamboyant gay guys they really do my head in, i dont consider myself gay for being attracted to TS women, but if thats where they are i guess i just have to deal with that, and infact i just got invited to a post mardi gras party this weekend where its going to be a majority of ts girls , so time to pull out my best outfit, whiten the teeth, trim the beard and get my game on :)

The only thing that actually works is NOT looking for someone. If you're actively looking, you haven't earned your way out of loneliness. That shit has to be EARNED if you want it done the right way. You can't ask for it, you can't pay for it, you can't negotiate your way in.
You have to stop. Take care of your self first and formost, get involved with things that have nothing to do with finding dates, getting laid or meeting a potential mate. Follow through with a passion, sharpen your own skill sets, work on your personal success. When you've finally become a worthy candidate through simply be awesome at living, the potential mates will follow and you wont even have to try.

Take it from me, I can't stay single for more than a month without some hot pron star getting all up in my business. I don't seek. I mind my own business and kick ass at whatever I'm doing. It draws a crowd. Now strangers are chuckin' awards at my head and all I did was mind my own freakin' business to the nth degree.

Until you're a tranny, you'll never fuckin' get it. The parallels you put up between GGs and trans don't hold water.

If they did, this thread wouldn't exist.

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Originally Posted by youngfit93

good points being raised.

My problem isn't that they work in porn (if they do), its a profession like anything else but if the very first time we speak she is putting her hand in my wallet i'm suspicious. i mean her first move is to my wallet not to understand me im sorry but i cannot accept someone saying you have to pay for her time, why should i? (if im only taking her out to dinner, if i was asking for sex different story)

Yes relationships are transactions but not just financially, they're various other "transactions" i.e time, emotional transactions etc etc but if the first thing she does is reach for my wallet then how do i know she is with me because i Am me, or with me because of my wallet. This is the problem.

Someone raises the point of ts in the workforce forcing them to become escort and thats a fair point, i didnt factor that in.

someone also said that guys like TS because of what they are not who they are, but that argument is invalid because i can apply the same thing to women guys like women because of their big ass or big boobs or whatever the case however the women do allow men to take them out to dinner and allow the guy to get to know each other WITHOUT the guy having to pay for the time. So if you want a guy to like you for you not what you are you're going to have to let the guys get to know you WITHOUT forcing money because from the get go the guy is going to be questioning whether its a string along and imagine if i paid the time to take a TS girl out and she was a real bitch im going to fuming, ive just spent money on dinner and her time and turned out to be a bitch, see my point?

Someone said up my game i think you're right this may sound ridiculous but im not fan of gay bars, infact not really a fan of the gay scene at all i cant handle over the top flamboyant gay guys they really do my head in, i dont consider myself gay for being attracted to TS women, but if thats where they are i guess i just have to deal with that, and infact i just got invited to a post mardi gras party this weekend where its going to be a majority of ts girls , so time to pull out my best outfit, whiten the teeth, trim the beard and get my game on :)

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yeah i am doing that to be fair, im working im studying, im doing my thing i'm working hard towards getting a job in a hedge fund (tough gig), i got my shit together im heading in the right direction, but theres no one here to take the journey with me haha