Do you believe aliens exist and visit our planet Earth?

Hi everybody,

Top NASA officials (who became whistle blowers) believe in aliens.
The astronauts believe they exist.
Airline pilots and air traffic controllers believe in them.
Air-force pilots and personal believe in them.
Don't you??

Why not?
Hmm, i guess because you think they are all wearing tin foil hats? Right?

Neil Armstrong
"...There are great ideas, undiscovered - breakthroughs available to those who can uncover one of truth's protective layers" - Neil Armstrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g

Buzz Aldrin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpfvhdmhQy4


UFO sightings in outer space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Astronaut Edgar Mitchell Saw UFO Craft In Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrp-ysOhU-w

U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT - FULL VERSION.
This is a long one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk



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Babe,

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xoxo

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Dr. Edgar Mitchell ★ UFO Interview 2013 Aliens Are Real And Watching Us - The Day Before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAyVSylJBuo


Babe,
xoxo

Na-nu na-nu, everybody,

Here is a different clip.
It's shorter - for the Attention Deficit Disorder afflicted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpGUocanRjc


Babe,
xoxo

Hi everybody,

This is a Huffington Post video which talks about President Dwight Eisenhower meeting with aliens in the 1950s.
From what i've read, the aliens were Commander Val Valiant Thor, Donn and Jill from below the surface of Venus.

Those USA presidents, tsk!...we should never believe THOSE guys, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0HCw_WgVW8

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Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Alien

Babe
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xoxo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eppi639CUKw

Hi all,


https://books.google.ca/books?id=fr_...Ostric&f=false



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHJz-xPopU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfQoFoAZUs

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Babe
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xoxo

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Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad

This is a Huffington Post video which talks about President Dwight Eisenhower meeting with aliens in the 1950s.
From what i've read, the aliens were Commander Val Valiant Thor, Donn and Jill from below the surface of Venus.

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You might want to spend the time you waste promoting this drivel asking why people believe something so unoriginal and so false? If you do, you will discover that mystics have been around for more than a thousand years, and that those who were not just deluded used their 'special powers' to make money out of gullible people, from the savants of the Middle Ages, young virgins claiming to have been impregnated by Jesus, to a nutcase like Joanna Southcott -who as is always the case, was possessed of phenomenal secrets about the world, but secrets she could not reveal just at the moment but only to a select group of people (the Bishops of the Church of England in Southcott's case). When she died she left behind a box containing secrets that would change the world which only the Bishops should be allowed to see. But when it was opened, all that was found was a lottery ticket and a gun...

The Aethurius Society has for years been promoting the claim that Jesus and Buddha are time-travellers who came to earth from other planets, there is a ridiculous woman called Omnec Onec who claims to have come to earth from Venus, is over 400 years old and has a message of peace and love -and please buy her books (they are on Amazon)...she was on the Jerry Springer show but it seems that even with an IQ that cannot be measured and a facility in over 100 languages (which she has not been known to actually speak) she could not name the Vice-President of the USA, and when asked about the spaceship that brought her to earth refused claiming we earthlings are not yet ready for that level of knowledge, its a secret, and so on. The fact that she is in reality a fraud called Sheila Gibson, and used to work as a cashier and a bar maid is the kind of secret she does not want revealed.

There is no evidence that a Commander Val Valiant Thor ever existed, although there was a character called Captain Valiant Tor who appeared in an issue of the comic book Space Adventures in 1954 at around the time that Frank Stranges was publishing his Christian Evangelist pamphlets (eg GOD-Save My Child! _A Report on Juvenile Crime). The photos of Valiant Thor on the web clearly show two different people, one of whom -the blonde man in the Pentagon- has been identified as a Colonel in the Marines from I think Nebraska or Colorado who was on secondment to the Pentagon at the time.

Stranges is part of the movement which believes not just in extra-terrestrials but does so because it validates the claim that Jesus rose from the dead and is still alive and doing good work with civilisations in other parts of the universe - it is crucial to his message that you accept Jesus as the son of God, because otherwise the whole of the argument about life on Venus is rendered meaningless, because God created us all.

Note also, that while these people have an attachment to Jesus and Buddha -both 'Aryans' in the context of Third Reich mysticism- there is no room in their vision for Moses or Abraham or indeed, the Jews, and no place for Muhammad or Muslims. In a youtube clip Omnec Onec, the woman from Venus, confirms to her Norwegian interviewer that 'we' are White like you. Black people might as well not exist. But then courtesy of Walid Far'd and Elijah Mohammed, they promoted their own theory (through the Lost-Found Nation of Islam) that they were the first and chosen race whom God created.

Stranges also believes the theory that planet earth is hollow and that at the centre of the earth there are multiple civilisations, all far advanced from our own. The claim that a well known figure, Admiral Byrd slipped through the real hole at the 'North Pole' to visit these internal civilisations -needless to say he wrote about it in his diary but the diary has mysteriously disappeared- is undone by the fact that at the time he was said to be flying over the North Pole he was somewhere else, but why let facts get in the way of a good story?

Stranges has claimed that Commander Val Valiant Thor offered President Eisenhower a cure for cancer, which Ike declined because it would 'wreck the US economy' -yet this caring Venusian who speaks 150 languages did not then decide to come to Europe instead and donate or even sell his cure to the UK's National Health Service, or to ICI, Burroughs Wellcome, Hoechst, or CIBA -the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world at the time. He could have visited Richard Doll in Oxford at the time that Doll was pursuing the research that identified the link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer...but no. Perhaps because the USA was the only place on earth known to Venusians in the 1950s?

You can read about all this guff from Rudolf Steiner, Madame Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, the Aethurius Society, George Adamski, Frank Stranges and a yet greater multitude of worthless rubbish on the web, and none of it is true, but you are free to believe it if you want to.

Even Richard Dawkins believes that if there is alien life it will be far superior to our own, it always is, because the simple fact that unites all these bogus theories is that they seek a way out from our troubled present, and offer blissful solutions to personal and political problems that are little different from the solutions already offered by religion, and are made by people convinced they are being deceived by their own governments and that there are secret networks of influential people (Jews, obviously; Freemasons, the Illuminati, the Bilderburg Goup, Bohemian Grove etc etc) who are standing in the way between you and eternal prosperity and happiness.

If there is alien life, on Mars, for example, it is most likely to resemble a mollusc, or a cockroach or something that can survive in extreme environments on the minimal amount of nutrition, as has been discovered with life forms at the bottom of the Mariana Trench where nothing ought to be able to live.

Crucially, fundamentally, science has no role to play in any of this, because SCIENCE IS BULLSHIT. No evolution, but creative design. No rational explanation of how a space ship works, only secrets.

Rather than offer you multiple links to pointless excursions into fantasy, you can read a rational explanation of many of these New Age fantasies here -

the first link debunks the Hollow Earth fantasy, the Articles button at the top takes you to the others.

http://www.theironskeptic.com/articl...ver/shaver.htm

Hi Stav,

Comic books?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khBDvYqgiUc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG_fs-liOUs

I'll have a look at your link, and the names you mentioned which i NEVER brought up in this thread, except Valiant Thor and Eisenhower.

I will say, though, that when people have insight or knowledge about top secret topics, they are usually discredited and then locked up in mental institutions, or murdered.

Thanks, (i think)
Babe,
xoxo

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I will say, though, that when people have insight or knowledge about top secret topics, they are usually discredited and then locked up in mental institutions, or murdered.

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You can say that, but if it were true, you could never collect the stats to prove it. How would you know whether a knowledge claim was true or not? How would you know how many people have top secret knowledge but never tell? There'd be no way know what proportion of those who have top secret knowledge get murdered. It'd all be top secret. So I guess we'll just have to take your word for it.

What one can say is that claims of physical substance (such as the hollow Earth claim) can often be easily discredited or verified (seismically in the case of the hollow Earth, as hollow spheres have an identifiable, characteristic "ring" which the Earth doesn't have).

Of course my name is Frangi Guptwami from the center of the Earth and I'm just trying to throw you all off-track.

Did you know the law of gravity precludes the natural formation of hollow planets, asteroids etc. Were the Earth hollow someone would had to have constructed it that way or have hollowed it out. Oh my God! That's where the asteroid belt comes from!! The asteroids are Earth's old interior!!!

No wait. That's not true. The asteroid belt is the remains of a destroyed planet that was once populated by people who were about to divulge the top secret fact that.....
.......AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH .......

I love the Lies & Myths forum! :shrug

I noticed nobody responded to the poll. I am guessing that some people thought there would be two (or more) mutually exclusive, collectively exhaustive options phrased in an unbiased way. It could just be that people forgot to respond.

Hi everyone,

For those people who know a little about Steve Vai, he was given his big break by Frank Zappa.
Steve played in Zappa's band for a while and this song comes from a very Zappa-esque Vai album which he recorded as a tribute to his idol, Frank Zappa.

If you are a Zappa fan, you are really going to LOVE this.
You better smoke your joint before listening to this funny tune lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHR-SI7Bv0

" Little, Green Men "

We know ya' come a long way. We hope that your ship is o.k.
We hope you're gonna' stick around, maybe to save the day.

Liw liw, liw liw, liw liw, liw

You look - a real keen even though you are green,
with those big, large heads - something off of the movie screen.

Liw liw, liw liw, liw liw, liw

Little, green men, they look so funny.
Funny, green men. I want one to have and to hold and to....
Silly, green men, where do they come from?
Should we run away? Should we start to pray? Or is it
a movie they're filmin'?

Liw liw, liw liw, liw liw, liw

Are the people on your planet usually in a frantic panic like they are here?
Most of the time.
(...I'm freakin' out...)

Wait a minute, you! Was is true about Einstein's theory and Darwin's too?
What about war, the soul, the mind,
Love, Death, God, Divine?

Little, little, little, little, little, little, little

Little, green men, they look so funny.
Funny, green men. I want one to have and to hold and to....
Silly, green men, where do they come from?
Should we run away? Should we start to pray? Or is it
a movie that they're filmin'?

Announcement:

Ladies and gentlemen of the world,

It is my utmost privilege to announce to you that these little, green men,
actually, do exist, for they are part of the eternal past and venture from
all regions of our galaxy to find homage in our earth's center.

Governments of the world have been very good at concealing these little visitors
and preparing the public with "loving movies" and "pleasant melodies"...
Ya' see?.. like this one. Ya' hear that?

Yes, controlled media as to cushion the impact of the arrival of our little friends.
Throughout history, many people have claimed to see "strange lights in the sky".

(Oh no!)

The truth of the matter is that these lights, and beings, will only reveal themselves
to those who are pure at heart, for these enlightened aliens leave permanent,
imprinted information on the psyche of those chosen humans only to be revealed
to our deteriorating planet at the point in which our civilization shall enter the new age of
'Light without Heat'.

(Various, cute aliens sounds.
"Here i gooooo! Get ready! Wheeeee!! etc etc. )

( Spoken: )
Little, green men about four foot-one.
Maybe they want to have some fun.

Little, green men about four foot-two.
Maybe he wants to mate with you.
(ooh, ah, eee, etc...simulated alien sex sequence)

Little, green men about four foot-three.
Maybe they wanna' be set free.

(Spoken quickly and difficult to understand)
We're hoping that the human race will become part of endless time.
We love you all, and want you to know that in your heart, and in your soul,
there is a power bigger than the world.

Little, green men about four foot.
Maybe they want to kick some butt.
(Aliens kicking-butt sounds)

Little, green men, they look so funny.
Funny, green men. I want one to have and to hold and to....
Silly, green men, where do they come from?
Should we run away? Should we start to pray? Or is it
a movie that they're filmin'?

Little, green men, they look so funny.
Funny, green men. I want one to have and to hold and to....
Silly, green men, where do they come from?
Should we run away? Should we start to pray? Or is it
a movie that they're filmin'?

E.T.I.O.U.
E.T.I.O.U.
E.T.I.O.U.
E.T.I.O.U.

Ba-v-ni-ni na-ni-new!
Ba-nu-ni-ni-na-ni-new!
Ba-nu-ni-ni-na-ni-new!
Bra-da-di-dat!

Babe,
:dancing:
xoxo

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Hi Stav,
Comic books?
I'll have a look at your link, and the names you mentioned which i NEVER brought up in this thread, except Valiant Thor and Eisenhower.
I will say, though, that when people have insight or knowledge about top secret topics, they are usually discredited and then locked up in mental institutions, or murdered.

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I mentioned people other than Commander Thor to provide a context which shows there is nothing original in the claims made by Frank Stranges, and that it was part of a surge of claims about 'alien visitors' in the 1950s in which the aliens came here to save us (presumably from Venus) or to destroy us (presumably from Mars).

So just stick with Commander Thor, and ask yourself why, when according to Stranges, President Eisehower rejected the offer of a cure for cancer, Commander Thor did not step back into his spaceship and come to Europe, or go anywhere else to help humanity?

The example of Omnec Onec seems to me to present your dilemma in a nutshell -if you want to, you can believe she is a 400 year old Venusian who has come to earth to help us lead better lives with her vast knowledge and wisdom; to me she is an ex-barmaid called Sheila. It looks to me like she went from selling coffee to selling secrets, and evidently there is more money to be made from the inscrutable than there is from the soluble.

As to your last remark, Daniel Ellsberg when he was working for the RAND corporation in 1969 photocopied top secret documents on the Vietnam war which showed that the American military believed the war could not be won, in contrast to the view they expressed in public. The papers were leaked to the New York Times and were a sensation at the time -but Ellsberg was not arrested at 3 am and locked up in a loony bin, he did not die in a mysterious car accident, nor did he do a runner to Canada or Russia like Ed Snowden -he stayed, was put on trial, and won the case.

Stav,

Just a short note for you.

I don't believe the Rev. Frank Stranges' story.

I believe in Phil Schneider's story.

I am, at present, composing a response to a previously posted comment which will include a response to your first post.

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Stav,

Just a short note for you.

I don't believe the Rev. Frank Stranges' story.

I believe in Phil Schneider's story.

I am, at present, composing a response to a previously posted comment which will include a response to your first post.

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Are you serious? You made a big thing in one of your first posts of Eisenhower rejecting Valiant Thor's offer of a cure for cancer -from Stranges; you refer now to Schneider who uses a photo of Thor which he got from...Stranges...you might as well admit it: there is no proof that alien visitors from Venus ever existed, Frank Stranges made it all up to sell some books and cassettes as part of his mission to convert people to his brand of Christianity.

Follow the money, and you will find your way to the truth.

Stav,

Do yourself a favor and click on the search feature and type in Frank Stranges and you will see all the threads and posts of who has mentioned Frank Stranges.
It's mostly you.

I mentioned his name a couple of times in this thread to say i do not believe his story.

You say i did agree with him and then two people use the "vote up" button to make it look as if what you claim is factual. What a mob. Get your facts straight.

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Stav,
Do yourself a favor and click on the search feature and type in Frank Stranges and you will see all the threads and posts of who has mentioned Frank Stranges.
It's mostly you.

I mentioned his name a couple of times in this thread to say i do not believe his story.

You say i did agree with him and then two people use the "vote up" button to make it look as if what you claim is factual. What a mob. Get your facts straight.

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I would in most cases be alarmed at the ease with which you promote an idea, then claim you have done no such thing. In this thread and others where you mentioned Valiant Thor, your assertions were backed up by links which led either directly to one of Stranges' lectures on youtube or were based on the claims he made about meeting Thor in the Pentagon, Thor's meeting with Eisenhower and Nixon, the cure for cancer, and so on. In fact I am not alarmed because it seems every time you realise you have made a mistake, you decline to accept responsibility; this, it appears, is your modus operandi. You have not attempted to answer any of my questions, such as the question about Thor's cure for cancer and why, when it was rejected by Eisenhower, Thor did not take it elsewhere -it is not a trick question but a legitimate one, but perhaps you realise there is no answer, because Eisenhower never met a man from Venus, Venusians do not exist.
In fact it doesn't matter in this case because alien visitations are garbage, as utterly ridiculous as a former barmaid claiming to be a 400 year old Venusian. But if you believe in aliens, that is your choice, but you might be more credible if you stop claiming to believe in aliens while at the same saying you don't believe the people who told you about them.

Stav,

I am so sorry to prove you wrong and YOU are so WRONG.

YOU should never forget to take your Alzheimer's meds.
Your memory is failing you, badly.

Here are the posts from around the time when i FIRST mentioned Valiant Thor and how Eisenhower refused Thor's remedies for all Earth's diseases.

The first post is the FIRST ever mention of Commander Val Valiant Thor on the HA forum.

In the other posts, i mention Phil Schneider.

There is no video link of Rev. Frank Stranges posted by me.
Maybe you ended up watching one, but i never suggested it.

You do owe me an apology. Are you man enough to apologize?

When i am, wrong, i apologize. Heck, even when i NOT wrong, i apologize sometimes. That goes with being a Canadian.


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http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...postcount=1177

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Stav,

I am so sorry to prove you wrong and YOU are so WRONG.

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The source of the claim that a Venusian called Valiant Thor visited Earth and met President Eisenhower is Frank Stranges, for you to say you never mentioned him, or that you don't even agree with him is undermined by your persistent claim that the encounter between Venus and Earth happened, that Thor offered Eisenhower a cure for cancer, and that we are all in denial about the existence of fantastically intelligent white guys (and dolls) who love Jesus and seek our redemption.

If you were to look thematically at this, you find the Christian Evangelist in Frank Stranges has merely re-packaged his message in tune with the obsession in the 1950s and early 1960s with UFO's and alien visitors and that he has been followed by Schneider and others, for the most part, it is all part of the same narrative, for you to deny a direct link on your part to Stranges is disingenuous.

It looks like this:

We are in peril/Only Jesus can save us
We are in peril/the Venusians have come to save us

We are in danger/ Satan is threatening us
We are in danger/the Martians want to destroy us

We can be brilliant and peaceful people if we turn to Jesus/
The people of the future, the Venusians, are fantastically brilliant and peaceful and are buddies of Jesus

The name of our redeemer is Jesus/the messenger from the future is Valiant

And so on. It is all there if you look. Just as there are a hundred and one frauds out there trying to separate you from your dollars if you will only buy their book of the phenomenal secrets known only to them, but secrets which will change your life.

I'm sorry but this is a weird thread. Nysprod, any thoughts?

Dahlia may have a point: the USOS just might be alien ->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT9aFpWy9og

I think I've just found proof of alien life on Earth on this very forum...

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...64#post1578864

Hi everybody,

Well, trish, the asteroid belt, from what i've read, was caused by a planet called, Tiamat, breaking apart when Nibiru made a crossing through our solar system many milleniums ago. I'm sure you can do a simple search online if you want learn about Nibiru hitting Tiamat (which you probably won't do because you seem to already think you "know" everything).
That is a sign of ignorance when someone refuses to accept new ideas.
That's what happens when one spends so much time in school learning what the education.

Well, actually, you did mention the "Destroyer" planet hitting another planet (which would be Tiamat). So i will give you only a half a point for that, because apparently there is life on the Destroyer planet (Nibiru), and the race on Nibiru who are called, the Annunaki, are the ones who, many believe, genetically modified primitive man to become who we have become. It's a long story predating all religions. As matter of fact, modern religions plagiarized THOSE early, once hidden (recently discovered), and, of course, obviously religiously-discredited accounts.

What i have read is that when Nibiru's solar system passed though what was to become our solar system, one of Nibiru's moons collided with Tiamat and caused it to split into two. Then, miilleniums later, when the Nibiru solar system, again, passed through our solar system, Nibiru struck the two pieces and that created the Earth, the asteroid belt and the comets we see.
Or maybe all of that happened even during the SAME Nibiru passing, i wasn't there taking notes.
I get this information from Zacharia Sitchin who had studied all about this obscure topic of Nibiru and the Annunaki and ancient civilizations - basically, EVERYTHING the religious leaders and political leaders DO NOT encourage us to learn about because it would blow their whole Holy, and political Schtick, respectively, clear out of the water.

I am pretty convinced, by what you write, that this information is totally new to you. I am not surprised by that.
It's like discussing the healing properties of food to a medical doctor - they usually don't buy it - they just roll their eyes and say, "There's no scientific proof to support that claim," as if they know everything about health because they've studied only drugs and how drugs affect the body.

Anyway...
As far as proving anything to you goes, trish, i am learning that because you already think you know about everything about the universe, no matter what i offer as proof will be ridiculed by you.
Sometimes, i am glad i didn't go to school because i would end up believing only what the educational system teaches people about what they want people to know.
You're becoming every confrontational, insulting and belittling, trish. I guess i'll have to prove all of that, too? Hm?

You have the right to ask whatever you want to ask, while i have the right to answer or not. Not answering a question is not an admission that i can't answer it, it just means that you are not looking at what i post with an open mind.

You've said earlier in that post, when i called fred, Freddie the Freeloader and posted the image of the mouse that, "THAT is not discussing" or something to that effect. And now, here you are trying to make me (or almost everything i write) seem totally stupid just because you don't agree. Duh! What's the point? If you can't discuss with me, why resort to insulting me with your disparaging comments and intensifying sarcasm? It's becoming a little much, and it's very unbecoming of you, sweety.

Look, where is the discussion when i post something and all i see are people demanding me to prove what i say and to answer a whole bunch of "tricky" insincere questions hoping i say something wrong just to have you and bronco and whoever demanding answers from me and insinuating that i know nothing of value? Calling me paranoid and whatever else. Crikey!
That is NOT a discussion, in my opinion!


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Now, here is one example of a former engineer/geologist who had worked at Area 51 for seventeen years who was "knocked off".
He claims there have been several attempts on his life because he was speaking out about all the top secret stuff he was exposed to while employed by the USA government. They finally got him. He is no longer with us.

He appears to have been the classic, very religious, science-geek-nerdy guy, who looked uncomfortable within his own skin during his speeches. He doesn't have the suave behavior of a TV personality, as he was not an actor.
So don't expect all the head movements of a trained television personality. He reminds me of some of the people i've met in my life who loved to spend all their working time and spare time in a lab, alone and didn't seem to fit into society too well, like that Sheldon Cooper guy from that TV show, the Big Bang Theory.
I'll admit Mr. Schneider didn't have the best personal magnetism but that should not reflect negatively on the information he presented.
I doubt he was ever planning to do all the speeches he'd made, he just did it because he felt people had a right to know.

Perhaps there are other unknown details about him. I have read articles which stated he had mental issues, and that would add credence to the things i've said about how the government discredits someone's mental health once they start blabbing away top secrets to the general public.

If Mr. Schneider showed the one photo of that Commander Val Valiant Thor character from Venus, i will believe him before i would believe Rev. Frank Stranges' version of a person he referred to by that same name.
Rev. Stranges was authoring books and making money with his claims - appearing on television.
I am really not sure who the handsome guy and the good looking female were whom he had presented in his books and videos.
I've read that Val Valiant Thor came with two other aliens, and one was reported to be his brother but i see no resemblance whatsoever with the character Frank Stranges offered up as Val Thor.
There was, also a female alien, named, Jill.
Who knows?
It would seem likely to me that any real photos of the real Val Valiant Thor would be quite rare. And there is only ONE known photo of Commander Val Valiant Thor and it was shown by Phil Schneider during his speeches, his dad was in the same conference room as Val Thor. You want proof? Who am i to offer up REAL proof of top secret government stuff, trish?
All i have is what i see on the net, and no one will ever convince me that the net is all faked crap. It takes a keen mind to distinguish the real from the fake - i consider myself as possessing a keen enough mind for that simple task, which is why i don't believe in Frank Stranges' claims.

People like to show other photos of big men, and they have in this forum already, and say that big men are common.
Well, show me a photo of another big looking man with a neck THAT size sitting in a Pentagon meeting with top nuclear scientists, and i might believe Val Valiant Thor was a fake. Good luck, with that, though!
If that guy was human, why was he the only one NOT wearing a suite and tie in the photo?
If he was a German scientist like people like to claim he was, well, Germans have tailors who can tailor a suit for any size man.
If he was a German scientist, he was earning a top government salary to afford to look dashing in a tailor-made suit for him to wear.

Frank Stranges' Val Thor seemed far too contrived to be the real deal. But then again, who is to say what is and what is not the truth? I just say what i believe. Why do i have to explain everything in minute detail and provide so much proof?
I'll tell you why i think you are doing this, you're hoping i make myself look like MORE foolish (i already know in your mind you think i am a fool).
You can deny that all you want. Anyone with only half a brain can see it.
Oh, i guess you think i have LESS than half a brain lol, Right??

Perhaps Rev. Stranges was hired to throw the public into confusion about Valiant Thor. The mere fact that a comic book character was named Valiant Thor is another attempt to ridicule the truth by creating a diversion.
Who would the American public believe in the 1950s or 1960s, trish?..a Reverend of the Church, or some scientist who "fell off his rocker" and was revealing top secret information about the D.U.M.B.s and violent Gray aliens with laser technology. Why was Schneider murdered, but yet, Frank Stranges was invited to go on TV and publish books? Because he was preaching the word of God using Thor, calling him an angel of God.

When the church gets involved, i become very suspicious. I wonder how much money Rev. Stranges had to hand over to the money grubbing Vatican or whoever to let him preach about Val Thor.
The church were so against any talk of UFO's at that time, and throughout all time even as far back as when the the First Council of Niceae excluded the Book of Enoch from the canonized Bible. The Book of Enoch is readily available online, free to read. What a story THAT is. You want to deny that aliens exist??

Anyway, who's to say who is real? Me?
I am only saying what i believe in.
Please, do not ask me to prove EVERYTHING i've read in my life.
I could overwhelm you with convenient internet links to which you would only say, "Hahahah! That's what the internet says! Hahaha! You're so gullible! Hahaha."
I've not much time for that.

I'll say one thing, though, i was never interested in science fiction or super hero comic books, ever, as i always considered them to be - "misleading" - for lack of a better word.
When i was a kid, i was reading about and studying about our solar system, i was definitely not reading Captain America or the Space Avengers or whatever it is kids (and some adults) read.
I guess, now, you will want to argue the validity of comic books seeing as there is this huge, global conspiracy to tip everybody off with subliminal messages hidden in science-fiction and super hero comic books? Oye Vay!!

Speaking of comic books, i used to only read the Archie comics for entertainment and that was because of Betty and Veronica lol.
On that note, i would be Betty and you would be Veronica, and i considered Veronica to much 'sexier' than Betty who was much fairer personality-wise, and was more pleasant than Veronica.

I like to offer more information than i should because i am a friendly, rather gregarious, person, who likes to share - but trish, you cause me to feel some regret because you're on my heels so much, lately, demanding i prove everything as if to say, if i don't respond, i am a phony are an idiot or... whatever - it's all negative, nonetheless.
I don't consider your posts of late so much as a "discussion" as much as i think that you are simply badgering me.
Why? Is that how you "discuss" - by badgering people who disagree with you?
I don't badger you.
I try to remain polite - "try" is the key word, there.
You seem to be preaching about what you have learned long ago in books printed by the educational system - while i am talking about what i have recently learned by whistle blowers. Nowhere in university books will you learn the teachings of whistle bowers lol.

Anyway, i would easily believe Mr. Schneider before i start to believe people on a forum who basically chase me around the forum, demanding proof, and then when i provide proof, i get criticized for it over and over again as not acceptable in their opinion or belief system.
I am not anyone's servant on their payroll.
Hey, i like a good discussion -- but the name-calling and disparaging comments can go, if you all don't mind.
LOL I can't wait to see the disapproving comments made by the "dynamic duo" after this post gets posted. The dynamic duo becomes "The Three Musketeers", sometimes, perhaps better would be the "Three Blind Mice".

"The truth is out there", as they say. And "The truth will set you free".
Don't blame me if you only view the internet as a "farce" of nature, where everything is a lie.
Blah blah bah bah blah i know.



Why did Valiant Thor only go to the USA?...is REALLY a great question, Stavros, and i can not answer that. I have no authority to explain why.
I, suppose, anyone could speculate and suggest that aliens were/are well aware of the USA's interest in aviation, and their dominance as a world
power - i suppose.

The USA is/was one of the most influential countries - everyone copies the USA. So, maybe that's why Thor went there - knowing whatthe USA dioes everyone wants to do (usually)...i have NO IDEA lol...AND WATCH, someone'll quote that sentence and ask me to go into minute detail to explain further about it, WHEN i JUST admitted that i am NOT SURE of why Thor only went to the USA. lol frikken hilarious!

"The Roswell UFO incident took place in the U.S. in June or July 1947, when an airborne object crashed on a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico." - Wikipedia
Maybe that got the attention of aliens.

I think it was in 1954 when Eisenhower allegedly had several meetings with members of an alien race.

According to Stranges, Valiant Thor supposedly landed in Virginia in 1957 and met with Eisenhower. HUH?
Rev. Stranges wrote a book called Stranger in the Pentagon in which he claims it was Valiant Thor and two other Venusians: Jill, and Donn, the brother of Val Thor lol.
Stranges and, i even think, Schneider both claimed that Thor had lived in the Pentagon for three years.

Phil Schneider claimed that Val Thor had been living in D.U.M.B.s for 58 years. I would believe Schneider first - i would place my bet on Schneider's claims.
Rev. Stranges makes it sound as if he and Val Thor were like BEST buddies, almost like "roommates" or "drinking pals" sort of. I dunno.
Rev. Stranges said that Thor talked about Jesus and all sorts of religious things we could only expect from a crazed TV evangelist.
Could be true! But it sounds way too contrived for my liking.

Schneider says he had only met Val Thor a few times during Schneider's seventeen year employment while they BOTH "worked" in the D.U.M.B.s.
And trish, i am so surprised that you have no idea about the D.U.M.B.s because they are HUGE places deep below. Humans built them. try to find our when thedumbs were built and see if you can link it to thor's visit

I never said i had all the answers, did i? No!
Anyway, enjoy one of Mr Schneider's many lectures and the Q & A segment after the lecture.

I don't claim any of this to be factual but it's all sounds real to me.
Below the videos are a few links that tell about Phil Schneider and his life and there are photos of the D.U.M.B.s. in the "hollowed out Earth".
'kay?
Anyway, moving right alonggggggg...
In the following sequential video clips, the late Phil Schneider, who i call, an American HERO, talks about Area 51, the Dulce Base, D.U.M.B.s, Groom Lake, and a violent encounter with Gray aliens deep within the underground base during which several of his fingers were "lasered" off by the Grays.

Of course, it's easy to find debunker's opinions about anything.

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs4emKd_fG4

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw3bla4y7tA

Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE3RsHXdYIA

Part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CinaxTJMqq0

Part 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm75Ie5xNeo

Part 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6PmJCddBOg

Part 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gft-k3GFsxY

http://www.whale.to/b/underground_h.html
http://www.ufodigest.com/mystery.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread970697/pg1
http://www.openminds.tv/phil-schneid...et-claims/9982

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Babe,
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xoxo

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My last post was obviously intended as a joke but there is a serious point behind it. A large portion of the rumours surrounding the existence of aliens, mythical creatures, etc stem from pictures like those.

I should know. Many years ago I passed off a photo that I had taken of an unidentifiable animal that had washed up on a beach as "proof" that the Haggis really does roam the wilds of Scotland. You'd be surprised at the number of people I was able to convince...

Hi all,

Sorry, below in the quote, i finished an idea that i had left unfinished in the original text.
That's the problem with ONLY a ten minute window to edit after posting.
I thought i had it all done - but i forgot to complete that idea.
In red is what i added to the original text

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That's what happens when one spends so much time in school learning what the government funded education teaches. They teach people to close their minds.

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Babe,
xoxo

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What i have read is that when Nibiru's solar system passed though what was to become our solar system, one of Nibiru's moons collided with Tiamat and caused it to split into two. Then, miilleniums later, when the Nibiru solar system, again, passed through our solar system, Nibiru struck the two pieces and that created the Earth, the asteroid belt and the comets we see.

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Yeah, you’re right. They sure don’t teach that in Celestial Mechanics 507. Wonder why? Probably ‘cause the Illuminati would shoot anyone who’d even dare broach the subject.

So if Nibiru’s system passed through our’s twice, that suggests the two systems were, and may still be, gravitationally bound to each other. Wonder why we never observed a second planetary system (with it’s own planets and its own star...maybe two) in orbit around ours? I’m guessing the reason may be that on its second pass Nibiru’s system was slingshot up to escape velocity. A likely velocity for such an escape would be in the range of 45 kilometers/second. (Here I’m using the formula for escape velocity from the Sun v = sqrt(2GM/R) taking R to be an inner orbital radius) That’s about 0.00015c where c is the speed of light. Pretty fuckin’ fast. Still, the solar system’s only about 4.5 billion years old, so Nibiru and it’s star couldn’t have gotten too far away in that time. It should be about 0.0007 lightyears away...well within telescope range. Yet the nearest star we know of is 4.24 lightyears away. Boy these guys are really good at hidings things, don’t ya think? Discuss.

"I don't claim any of this to be factual but it's all sounds real to me."

Sums up the whole post and most of your others really...

Dahlia, remind us all again of the outcome of your little "voting experiment" on the Prospero thread. That's right, there was a perfectly rational explanation behind it. So much for your vaunted perceptive abilities. Too busy looking for the "conspiracy theory" to see the obvious that was staring you in the face.

Just write your draft submission in a text editor and edit there prior to posting.

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That's the problem with ONLY a ten minute window to edit after posting.
I thought i had it all done - but i forgot to complete that idea.

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Well hi, there, rodinuk,

It's nice to see you here. I'm not sure if i've ever met you, before.

I DID use a text editor but then, at the last minute, i added an incomplete sentence while posting in the thread, and i'd only noticed the incomplete sentence after posting it.
And then something happened, all the thread names "disappeared" and all i saw were underlines where the thread titles should be (that's happened before, too) so i had to reboot, and when i came back, editing time had run out.

I've been using a text editor ever since Lap the Scot suggested that to me in the member services area.

Thanks,

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Babe,
xoxo

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To Lap,
I only use "Lap the Scot" because i can't remember the odd spelling of that whiskey that you use as your member name. No offence intended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShShcjpKXiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Ya6qI9kM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wHw-xuToIc

No offense taken, I've been called a lot worse... :)

If I'm posting drunk I might accidentally call you Drambuie, another Scottish beverage with three vowels in a row. If I do, please don't take offense:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqf2iNjgbl4

" Do Yourself a Favour "

Isolated junk yard
Letting out the garbage
Eating through the core of life
Sweet fragrance irritates
In a state room death awaits
Persecute your own self-pride
Suffocate the new high
Ride the thorny mule that cries
"Dig your grave and step right in"
Like a Judas pay the price
30 pieces for a ride
Here's the fire pass a chew

Do yourself a favour
Educate your mind
Get yourself together
Hey there ain't much time

Shredded know-how give away
Species of the human race
Those funky winds of ups and downs
Hall of grit is known too well
Heaven still is your hell
Poison slowly slowly drowns
Let the devil step right in
Lucifer's your only friend
Ain't a soul going to pity you
Hurdly over time to death
With open arms it waits I bet
Don't you wish you could reach ground?

Do yourself a favour
Educate your mind
Get yourself together
Hey there ain't much time

Don't you feel yourself going down?
Don't you feel yourself?

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Don't you know, before you go, you'd better educate yourself?

Babe,
xoxo

I used to LOVE Drambuie in my coffee - when i drank coffee and alcohol.
A scotch fermented with honey. Mmmmm

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If I'm posting drunk I might accidentally call you Drambuie, another Scottish beverage with three vowels in a row. If I do, please don't take offense:D

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Drambuie is just about acceptable. Don't call me Buckfast though, vile stuff that turns you into a wee ned like this...
(warning, translator may be required.... "don't gies any yer shite")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNLfr1EP08

Sorry, 45 thousand meters/second times 4.5 billions years is not 0.0007 lightyears, it’s 676000 lightyears. My mistake. It still not a far distance as far as stars go, but far enough to make Nibiru’s star difficult to spot. Sorry about the error.

Good luck though! The vids you posted give us a different time scale. Was it something like six thousand years? So 45000 meters/second times 6000 years is 0.9 lightyears. So either Nibiru’s star is orbiting the Sun right now (and we’re living within a binary star system) or it’s rushing away from us but less is than a lightyear away...closer than the closest star. Why don’t we see it?

Hmmm one other problem. You said Nibiru’s solar system passed through our solar system,

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What i have read is that when Nibiru's solar system passed though what was to become our solar system,...

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whereas the vids you posted seem to say it was just Nibiru and a couple of moons that passed through our system. Were that the case, I guess we shouldn’t be looking for Nibiru’s star after all, cause it never passed through our solar system. One does wonder though how a planet passing through interstellar space without a Star had enough energy to sustain life for more than a few Earth days if that. It would seem more likely that Nibiru, if it existed at all, was originally part of our solar system, but that would go contrary to the Sacred YouTube Videos. Another possibility is our system didn’t have a star and we just latched onto Nibiru’s star. The problem with that scenario is it doesn’t explain how all the planets are roughly in the plane of the ecliptic and revolve in the same direction around the Sun. Moreover, the Sacred Videos clearly show Nibiru passing through an already established solar system and tweaking already established orbits.

Don’t link vids...DISCUSS.

Hi trish,

Tsk! If you would spend LESS time aimlessly blabbing away, and challenging to me to back up every thing i write, and posting erred calculations, and apologies for the errors, to only impress (or confuse) people who really can't give a hoot about that stuff, you'd be listening to Mr. Sitchin's lectures and learning about ALL the comments and doubts you've expressed about Nibiru etc etc.

What...now you're going to start asking me for the PROOF behind Mr. Sitchin's studies and teachings? I am not him.

Watch his videos, he might even shine a little light on the writings of the earliest civilizations from whom early ("business-minded") men plagiarized to create the religious dogmas which PLAGUE our earthly citizens and has caused BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of meaningless murders - all committed in the many names of...a loving, caring God.

And if you are going to pretend that you can apologize about something as UNIMPORTANT as an incorrect calculation (which means nothing to nobody other than yourself), you might want to apologize for your several needlessly "rude" comments, that you've made at me. At least that would make you look less petty (winking, and clicking my tongue against my cheek at you), sweety.




Babe,
xoxo

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Yeah, you’re right. They sure don’t teach that in Celestial Mechanics 507. Wonder why? Probably ‘cause the Illuminati would shoot anyone who’d even dare broach the subject.

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(Spoken with a British accent)
Anyone care for a spot of Illuminati?
It's been picked fresh from an Austrian vine and has been, promptly, cold-pressed and fermented and aged to perfection for your illuminated enjoyment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJfz4azOQs

" Hey, Big Brother "

Hey, big brother, as soon as you arrive
You better get in touch with the people, big brother
And get them on your side, big brother
And keep them satisfied

Welcome to the beat of the city street
Walk on now and don't be shy
Take a closer look at the people you meet
And notice the fear in their eye, yeah
Watchin' the time passin' by

Hey, big brother, as soon as you arrive
You better get in touch with the people, big brother
And get them on your side, big brother
Keep them satisfied

Focus your eye on the filthy sky
Just as far as you can see
Everybody's gettin' kinda tired of waiting
'Cause nobody wants to cry, yeah
And nobody wants to die

Hey, big brother, as soon as you arrive
You better get in touch with the people, big brother
And get them on your side, big brother. yea
And keep them satisfied

Now that you've got the picture
What you going to do?
Now that you've got the picture
What you going to do?

Awesome guitar and sax solo

Oh yea ya ya ya
Hey, big brother. I know you're out there.
Are you watching me? Are you watching us?
Big brother, you're never goin' to get us.
Big brother, you're never goin' to get to us.
Are yo gonna let 'em get to you?
No no. Never get me!
Big brother's coming.
Don't let 'em get to you!

Hey, big brother?
Hey, big brother?

Babe,
xoxo

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Why did Valiant Thor only go to the USA?...is REALLY a great question, Stavros, and i can not answer that. I have no authority to explain why.
I, suppose, anyone could speculate and suggest that aliens were/are well aware of the USA's interest in aviation, and their dominance as a world
power - i suppose.

The USA is/was one of the most influential countries - everyone copies the USA. So, maybe that's why Thor went there - knowing whatthe USA dioes everyone wants to do (usually)...i have NO IDEA lol...AND WATCH, someone'll quote that sentence and ask me to go into minute detail to explain further about it, WHEN i JUST admitted that i am NOT SURE of why Thor only went to the USA. lol frikken hilarious!

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Ask yourself why this mania for UFOs and alien visitors became so common in the USA in the 1950s and why Christian evangelists were so closely tied to it, and you may find an answer in the impact that the use of nuclear weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki had on the way people conceived of war, because these weapons were unlike anything man had invented before, and appeared to make the apocalypse a practical reality at the click of a button or a presidential command. This sense that we were/are minutes away from the end of the world reached its climax with the Cuban Missile crisis in 1962. In the USA, it was a gift for Christian evangelists whose warnings that the 'end of the world is nigh' and that you better be prepared to welcome back Jesus, chimed with a population that has been famously religious since the Pilgrims arrived in the 17th century,and was also a stark contrast to the cruel, atheist enemy, Communism and the USSR.

In Japan, the reaction can be to some extent read in the pacifist political culture that was developed after 1945 -one that still persists to this day, though it has come under strain-, and is to a degree compatible with Buddhism anyway, and the original version of the film Godzilla (I linked an article to this last year in the movies thread).

So you see, there are rational reasons to explain why Thor was only in the USA and did not bother to bring his cure for cancer to little England and lay it on the desk of pioneering cancer specialist Richard Doll -perhaps this fantastically intelligent white guy from Venus had never heard of Oxford University, or maybe it was because Doll was a scientist and not a preacher.
Lastly, if people were unable to make money from this garbage, it would not exist. George Adamski used to throw metal lids into the air and then photo them, describing them as UFOs; he made a lot of money selling books that were garbage from beginning to end. Omnec Onec the 400-year old Venusian, today makes money and travels the world to present her wonderful secrets, none of which contain the two words Sheila Gibson.

As for the Annunaki rubbish, the theory and its inventor, Zecharia Sitchin are rumbled here:
Zecharia Sitchin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Enjoy your weekend!

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Tsk! If you would spend LESS time aimlessly blabbing away, and challenging to me to back up every thing i write, and posting erred calculations, and apologies for the errors, to only impress (or confuse) people who really can't give a hoot about that stuff, you'd be listening to Mr. Sitchin's lectures and learning about ALL the comments and doubts you've expressed about Nibiru etc etc.

What...now you're going to start asking me for the PROOF behind Mr. Sitchin's studies and teachings? I am not him.
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I'm only asking if Nibiru had its own star and if it did why can't we see it now? In the time it took you to berate me for being too challenging in my response you could've answered the question. You could've even worked through the math and learned something. You could've caught the error yourself and then discovered for yourself that Nibiru's star, if it had one, is now less than a light-year away. Then you could've asked yourself, "Why can't we see it?" Nibiru too should be less than a light year off. Do you think we might be able to find it? You're always seeking knowledge, right?

These are legitimate questions...provided you take take the Sacred YouTubes literally? Perhaps we're applying the wrong hermeneutic here. Perhaps the Sacred YouTubes are to be understood only as spiritual metaphor. Whaddya think?

I didn't ask you for proof. I'm not now. Though if you want, you can offer a refutation of my proof that Nibiru and its star can't be much further than a light-year away. Or as a knowledge-seeker, you could say you just don't give a hoot.

Whaddya think?
DISCUSS.