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Written up recently in About Fcking Time Magazine (an online mag about women's sexuality), LEARN: THE TRUTH ABOUT TRANSSEXUAL ESCORTS
The escort in question is obviously more active than passive. Interested to hear what folks here think of the commentary.
TbD
What a lot of drama. I got into hookering because working at Pizza Hut sucked. More stories are like mine.
Lol @ "set aside my promiscuous money-making ways."
Not really a hell of a lot of content in that article, more like a very short opinion essay. Something like Tia Phoenixx's blog is a better place to start to get some idea of what it's like to be a TS escort.
Her link?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzySnappz
Tia's blog is here: http://www.tia-phoenixx.com/blogQuote:
Originally Posted by fla_funmeister2
Oh....that is so sweet of you mentioning my blog Suzy.
I cant post pic on my blog...o well....maybe I could if I ask my web designer how to do that.
Therefore check also my facebook account for photos, sometimes related to the content on my blog:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tia-P...?ref=bookmarks
cheers
Tia
A light weight article, but being a provider is a decent career. It really depends what effort is put into it. It can be a sleazy gutter walk or it can be up there with lawyers and therapists.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Eldora
It definitely needs an effort to be successful in any career, especially escorting.
However, without any talents, in this regards, great sex appeal, high sex drive, good social skills and presentation, a person cannot be a great escort, at least not financially.
I rent my house in Toronto to other providers while I am away, and all of them are willing to work so hard, till wee hours, but it seems, no matter how hard they are willing to work and wait, but if they are not attractive enough on the eyes of prospective clients, THE CLIENTS WILL NOT COME thus they will not be financially successful.
Therefore, i never recommend this profession to any girls, unless they have what it takes to be a great escort.
Most tgirl escorts i know are broke and/or on welfare.
Sad but true
However, if we have what it takes to be a great escort, then like you have already stated above Rusty, we can earn millions of dollars from this profession.
How big is our chance to earn that much..
dunno for sure.
But for tgirl escort, the chance to be successful is very low, less than 10 per cent i would say.
And those who can earn millions from this profession, i would say less or about 1 per cent.
Tough, highly competitive profession indeed.
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Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
Here is a simple test, to determine whether or not you can be a successful escort:
1. Are you socially liked..with lots of friends, admirers and boyfriends..
2. Are you good at managing your time and money...
3. Are you punctual and reliable...
4. Are you attractive, being hit by men every where you, even if you don't wear any make up, sexy clothes, or even if you don't feel like having an attention...
5. Have you offered money from men several times in the past to accompany them, even you don't feel like working or being an escort
6. Are you fit, healthy, and have a good sex drive...
7. Can you sleep with various men with different age, background, body type and race...
If all of the answers are YES, then you can join the club :dancing:
Based on my observation:Quote:
Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
some attractive tgirls fail on point 2 and 3
Most girls fail on point 4.
Men Sexuality is very complex. Some girls think that they are attractive, unfortunately not on men's eyes.
On the contrary, few of us, including myself, think that we are average looking, but thanks God....Men think differently.
Personally, I am still on the business, because escorting is still a lucrative business for me
There will be time (i don't know when) when this business will not be lucrative anymore for me
If that time comes, i will be more than happy to say it QUIT and move on with my life with a different profession and call one of my boyfriends to marry me.
Seriously!
time to go to bed....at least i am trying to sleep now
good night
By my maths, a decent Tgirl can earn easy £100k a year .
If she is charging £150 an hour and only sees two clients a day , she is making over 2k a week .
If she is good at marketing , writing and HaS social skills , she can expect to build up a lot of regulars .
Then there are the Tgs that specialise in bdsm and they also seem to do very well.
I kind of disagree on the look thing , as I'm more drawn to the older Tgs , but that's just me.
So all in all not a bad business if you target two clients a day .
With 4, I have found that it works if she is sufficiently attractive (both for cis and trans), being model material does improve success. But if no social skills even model material women won't get repeats.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
Where I first was going is that if an escort has business talent, does a professional effort at satisfying their client and interacting with them it can be a personally and financially rewarding. They can really love their job.
Many don't like their clients, that is felt and it is a big money grab. For those girls it is debasing and usually not successful.
Tia, you are a perfect example of success. You love your work and enjoy most of your clients. Very attractive but it is who you are and how you give to your clients that makes you exceptional.
I would say 7 is the one that gets most people, as for most people that is a lot harder than it sounds. As you effectively have to be able to view what you are doing as a job rather than as having sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
I would also add in a number 8, which would be;-
8. If someone annoys you, can you put that behind you quickly and move on with your day without it affecting everything else you do.
As if you are someone who ruminates on things like that, then you will have some issues when it comes to timewasters and blokes who call you up to have a quick wank over the phone. Which will impact your working day and potentially cost you work.
As a 'client' who is no longer young. (55) But still in good order (Fire-Fighter) I can't tell you how much positivity I take from a meeting with a beautiful Trans Escort...Some of you have such charisma and grace...possibly acting skills, but that doesn't matter - if the illusion is maintained...belief is suspended, easily and willingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
A secret afternoon, or evening...sharing a slice of each others lives...beautifully and passionately used, one or other.
Thank you girls. Sometimes it makes such a difference. Sometimes it pops a glide in my stride.
Sometimes it makes me feel young.
A gift.
And I'm sure it isn't nearly as easy as you make it look.
x
I am back:)
Thanks for the input Tarot, Rusty, Elizabeth and Plaything.
That was a simple test I posted, in reality, it is indeed quite complex to be a successful escort, as you all already explained above.
For instance, social skills alone can be broken down into the ability to calm the nerve of first timers, the ability to create a positive, friendly but sexy atmosphere in the session, and so on...so on.... the list goes on...
The ability to sleep with different type of men can be broken down into versatility, the ability to role play, etc
One last thing, being attractive is very subjective. Some men love chubby girls, some into older women, skinny women, CD, etc....
These type of girls are considered attractive in their category. I didn't mean that we have to be a model material per say. Though of course, being a model material is definitely attractive too.
I have been doing well as an escort since I was 16 as a boy...gradually evolve as a femboy....now as a full fledged TS...and soon to become a woman/post op. I might not be attractive for everybody, but yet, those who like my type, find me attractive, thus i fulfill the criteria of point 4.
Anyway, i can keep going and going to discuss this matter...but i have to go soon.
talk to you later my friends!
When I first got interested in tgirls, escorts were a simple and easy way for me to explore and find out what it was all about...but now, I've changed.
It no longer is a thrill for me to have sex with someone purely as a business transaction, so I restrict my activities mostly to Traps! who are just looking to get it on with someone they like.
http://i.imgur.com/8eEQ9fT.jpg?1
Mostly I hook up thru craigslist...it takes work but it's exciting...when a good looking one runs an ad, depending on time and day of the week, they could be hit with 50 or more responses...so when I get lucky, it's much more gratifying.
Escorts are good for beginners, married guys etc...but for a chaser like me, part of the thrill is in the hunt...simply offering money is boring to me.
1) I wouldnt base ones personality for the job on how many admirers or friends you have etc, people will still admire you if your a twat or not as they dont know the slightest thing about you and your interaction with most admirers and many associates will be a bare minimum. A better judge is to analyse how you socially interact with people, your family, your real friends, then with strangers, possibly the admiers you speak of , or people who have been friendly towards you in real life that you dot know, people who have reacted negatively to you. How do or did you handle these things, how do you react etc. Those answers will determine ones grade I think:)
3) i agree!. However my punctuality is my worst thing, i am always late, always through my life. I was born at 9.30am , as my mum uses to say late for school from day1. :) Sorry guys, dont turn up early. ;-) I am trying though ahem.
4&5) Obviously you need to be attractive but i think 5 is a bit OTT, when it comes to looks and attraction everyone is different which is why there is potential for any escort to make some kind of decent money. Ok if your extremely young and extremely pretty great but I personally know some older TV girls who have had fantastic careers as such.
I also think being able to simply pass and interact in society as a average/reasonable looking female is far more important, not everyone wants their dinner or weekend date to be the centre of attention or having joe bloggs offering £50 for a nosh, however I am aware that some gentlemen do get aroused by such shenanigans ;-)
7.) I think that should be more like do you want to?:-) I can do and I want to are entirely different ;-) I think you have to want to do that to be truely into it, if you can do it sure you will manage - but I see a difference. " I can do it for money" vs " I want to do it for money"
9) your own personal life is a massive factor, whats going on in the background always has some sort of effect of how things go down in the office (thats a generic reference lol).. Using myself for example I have been off the radar a lot the past couple of years, a couple of close family losses and a constant underlying issue of acceptance and what not with the close family I have left etc. this has and does affect my work, not in "session" (as far as I am aware) but my availability has been somewhat random at times since march 2012.
Some girls may also have personal life issues to consider, things such as family like i describe above, or different variations or entreily different issues that I fortunately havent had to deal with but know that girls do encounter,-partners,alcohol/substance abuse,problems transitioning- all these things will have a say in how well you do as an escort, just as they would in any other job.
I know it is was only a quick list , just fleshing some bits out. interesting thread.
I am quite sure I will write a book when I retire. It will not be a kiss and tell book, nor it will be an idiots guide to escorting as I am not pigheaded enough to think that the way do things is the only way, as I know it is not. However it will be a rather fascinating, insightful, amusing, possibly helpful, possibly shocking piece of literature- that I can be sure, and it will be fun to write, hopefully whilst in a quiet catalan/spanish coastal town, sat on the balcony... mmmmmmm. oh yes please. If not one reads it who gives a toss, plenty of tosses have been given in the making there of ;-)
xx
Good simple maths but maybe a bit to simple and gives impression of uber pounds for everyone or that every girl can or will get two clients a day, every day, which is not quite true when you take into account reallife and be sensible about all other things. I would like to better explain my self, therefore in my humble opinion I think one is better targeting a daily figure rather than number of clients, this figure is based and caluclated on outgoings and what needed for savings and of course paying tax..., also taking into account yours days off. Someone should'nt be available 24/7 365 - uber melt down on the way, and if I was a client i wouldnt want to see someone advertising as such myself, just saying. Anyway this daily figure required can be accumulated by a mixture of escort,webcam, content etc, eggs cannot all be in one basket. Simple maths, keeping records, not being a whopper, all essential!Quote:
Originally Posted by tarot
So there are 365 days a year, 96 are weekends approx. People in "normal jobs" have 4-6 working weeks holiday needs to be taken into account, i know self employed people in general often work longer hours and take less holidays but i think its important escorts do have time off. this time off has to be accounted for, even if thats just used for surgery recovery or things like that. So that may leave you with anything from 180-240 days to make your ££. Final factor when targeting ones golden figure is that you also have to take into account that is a short term career, its not for life akin to a premier league footballer , however we earn a lot less and not much chance of punditry, managerial roles or being in shitty television adverts when we retire lol., so there can be an element of make hay whiles the sun shines, but do not burn the sun out..:)
So in a nutshell yes it can be a reasonable business like most self employed business, some will do fantastic, some will fail. Some will plod along just nicely.
Thanks for the input Sammy.
Yes, you got the point. It was only a simple test to determine whether or not we can be FINANCIALLY successful as an escort.
(I forget to mention financial thing before)
As you and Elizabeth and others already added, actually things can be quite complex if we break down into details.
You think point 5 is ODD. I can see why you think that way.
I put point 5 as an "ego and reality check".
Each of us might think we are a great escort, but unfortunately, we might not be as good as we think we are.
Since men, our clients, to be more precise, who will judge how good and attractive we are for them, therefore I add point 5.
Some of us, me for instance, do not realize that actually we can be considered very attractive by some men.
Till this day, i could not believe how i could earn 60K Euro in 5 days while i was in UAE (but then i got caught and they put me in jail)....or how i could earn in average $ 45.8K a month in the US, around 60K a month for the East coast, starting from NJ, NYC, Boston, Philly, Connecticut, to DC (but then i got busted).
I am not a super model for sure.
It is indeed still a mystery.
There is an X factor in this industry that can make few of us, raise to the top.
And btw, i don't think i could earn that much in the UK. UK is tough market for me personally.
But i would say, if you have what it takes to conquer UK market, 100K pounds annually is the minimum you could earn.
always worth remembering there is a big difference between 100k net and 100k gross sterling here ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
Hey Tia,
Really love your openess, here as well as on your blog. I really enjoy reading about your dedication, RESPECT!
It is like you say: only so few people have it all to be succesful. It appears you are lucky enough to be have a good basis (character, intellectual and social skill and certainly attractiveness) and the stamina to persue the dreams you envision. I have all the respect for people who manage to be succesful against all odds and doing so not by hurting people but by aiding them.
I hope you manage in acheiving all your goals including finding a partner in your life that is able to challenge you even further or is such a strong character that he is able to complement your strong personality, I feel you deserve it.
all the best,
A.
Thank you my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by zodiac
Yes, i hope i could find my partner for life soon.
I have been too long as an escort, so it is indeed time to have a normal life, a simple, happy but productive life with one partner instead of thousands:)
May the road rise to meet you. xxxQuote:
Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
Tia you will always have a boyfriend in Chicago.
You are awesome and deserve every happiness.
i think the article makes sense...
and a good escort can make good money, but then this is common knowledge given the membership here lol..
A TS, GG, even GM (genetic male) escort only needs a few things to be a succesful escort imho:
- Looks
- good marketing (in all areas, location, promotion/ads/website, digital like Twitter/Facebook, etc.)
- liberal sexual and frankly world views/beliefs
Not sure how many escorts are actual millionaires and above, but then i'd imagine most good escorts of any description can make $100,000 USD gross income at least with the above traits. And in any major world city.
I am a repeat customer, admirer and friend of Tia - she is rare in any business
As a businessman who manages over 800 people in three Geo regions across the world, I can tell you without a doubt that Tia would be a smashing success in any business she was involved in owning, managing. It is simple. She is professional, objective, giving, but very disciplined with a tremendous work ethic and focused and prepared to evolve. And a very talented writer by the way. This is a formula for any successful business. I wish my managers had half of what she brings to business. It ain't easy and therefore it is rare to find someone in any profession who is that good at what they do.
So when I say admirer, I mean I admire her as a business person and as a exceptional person in general, and as an example of what you can accomplish in the face of enormous headwinds of societal prejudice, unfairness, abuse and overall challenges which Tgirls are faced. She doesn't sit around complaining about society, she just goes out and kicks it's ass on her terms- Truly inspirational.
You go girl !!
There is a difference between 100k net and gross , but it's still a good living .As long as one keeps overheads and costs low ,and acts nice to customers - it's pretty easy living.
There is a TV , in London ( not particularly good looking , or convincing )She is a lovely person and every time I've seen her I've felt healed .Not only that , but good luck always follows because of her positive attitude .
She told me she averages 3 - 4 clients a day and lives a very nice life .
I am going to disagree with you on that front. It is certainly in the most part a lot less stressful than most other jobs, and it can be a hell of a lot more fun. But there is a whole other side to the job that clients don't actually see.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarot
For every hour we have with a client, there is on average between 2 and 3 hours of other work on top of it. There is all the tidying, the laundry, the marketing, the shopping and a whole host of other things.
I have actually written about this very subject which explains the ins and outs a little better. If you fancy a read you can here https://elisabethmcqueen.wordpress.c...wjobs-and-sex/
It was not my intention to devalue the amount of work that goes into a booking .And I understand that a lot of work must go into being a pro escort . I was just saying that making a 100k a year ,is an achievable figure.
I am amazed at the exceptional persons I have met in the hobby. I've only seen Tia once but will never forget it. Might need to do a trip to canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teode812
In terms of looks, on a local review board there is only one close to "model material" provider in the top 5 most reviewed providers. Nearly all the model material providers do not make the top 20. Some of the top 20 I would not ever consider having sex with, but a lot do.
It is very much who the person is, appearance is a big factor but not the most important.
Hey Sammi,
I enjoyed this reply and it made me chuckle. I'm mostly a lurker but chip in now and again on the film thread. I'm a fellow Liverpool fan originally from Scottie but dragged up in the Fazakerley. I shipped out at 15 on the Isle of Man boats (The Manx Maid). My personal hung angels experiences are resigned to the SE Asia area where I've had some very rewarding experiences with stunning and sexy ladyboys (and sometimes when I've had more than a few ales, not so stunning or sexy, but it seemed like a good idea at the time).
I'm sure you have no shortage of people to have a gab to but if you fancy a natter sometime drop by for a gab and I'll put the kettle on *scuttles off to check the gin stash in the midden* Feckin damp squib of a derby today, was expectin better from our lot. Sad to say but Gerrard should have been off at half time. What say you Sammi?
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Originally Posted by Plaything
yes!
Btw, so sorry for the very late reply.
This forum is banned in Indonesia, so i cant check it out
speechless....:dancing:Quote:
Originally Posted by ed_jaxon
Oh Teode....thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Teode812
Btw, where are you now?
I am currently somewhere in Malaysia and soon be back to Jakarta.
Hope to see you again soon my friend!
Yes Rusty, you are on the spot with regards to this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Eldora
You know, i ain't miss Universe, but i truly understand that escorting is a service orientated profession and look, though it is pretty important, but definitely NOT the most important factor to determine whether or not a particular girl can be a successful escort.
there are more, much more important factors than just the look.
Ah....I wish I could go back to USA by now.
I truly miss you guys out there.
Check my facebook account and my blog if you guys miss me!
Hopefully someday, I can return to the US...we never know....
cheers!